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Amber Heard & Johnny Depp....Your thoughts?

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Whatdoyouthinkaboutthisone · 08/07/2020 18:53

I have seen this in the news over the past couple of days and wasn't really sure what to think. It sounds to me like a very volatile relationship and it may be that they are both abusers. Or at the least they are completely incompatible with each other.

Today I noticed that Amber Heard was walking into court and she had a scarf around her face. Then she removed the scarf and smiled for everyone and waved and seemed to enjoy the cameras being there. It's just an observation but maybe the accusations of her being a narcissist could be accurate? Or is she maybe trying to put a brave face on it all under what must be a very stressful situation for all concerned?

Johnny Depp kept his mask on but was also waving for the cameras I should add.

Anyway, I'm well aware it's none of my business really, it was just something I had thought about after seeing the news today and wondered what others thought!

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Russellbrandshair · 29/07/2020 19:31

Because I’m sorry but I don’t think no matter how much of a bitch your ex was, joking about raping her is absolutely vile. Considering how many women have been raped. It’s not funny.

purpleme12 · 29/07/2020 19:57

Yes I've never got the 'jokes' about rape thing
It will never be funny and it is serious if you're talking about rape

Ohsuchaperfectday · 29/07/2020 21:23

Yes the texts are Vile.
The strange thing is, I feel he is still madly in love with her! People are indifferent to those they don't care about anymore.
I feel he still madly loves her.

TinySongstress · 30/07/2020 05:07

@Ohsuchaperfectday
As sick as it seems, I think there's some truth in that.

studychick81 · 30/07/2020 09:49

I think he does still love her too. I listened to a tape of them discussing the divorce settlement, after she released the press about him being abusive and on it he laughs, like he can't quite believe it, and then says he loves her, after all of that.

JudyGemstone · 30/07/2020 10:17

It's not 'love' though it's a powerful yet insecure attachment strengthened by the intermittent nice/nasty behavioural cycles.

Ohsuchaperfectday · 30/07/2020 10:25

Yes, perhaps, Judy!

beelola · 30/07/2020 10:39

I'd say that she still has some sort of feelings for him too. She was still trying to get in touch with him pretty regularly after the divorce.

babyinthacorner · 30/07/2020 11:22

Placemarking because I lost you all for a while there! I’d been following avidly - need to catch up!

Iwalkinmyclothing · 30/07/2020 11:30

@Russellbrandshair

Because I’m sorry but I don’t think no matter how much of a bitch your ex was, joking about raping her is absolutely vile. Considering how many women have been raped. It’s not funny.
Are jokes about any kind of violence ok then?
AgnesNaismith · 30/07/2020 15:56

No, the burning and drowning bit was beyond depraved too....

TinySongstress · 30/07/2020 17:52

Yes I agree with the previous poster who questioned wether it was love or not. It's probably a complex mixture of trauma bonding and some other stuff (Stockholm?)
I don't believe AH ever really loved him though, I think she appropriates feelings based on how she thinks they should feel, not by actually feeling them. AH's love has only ever been for herself.

famousforwrongreason · 01/08/2020 00:37

@beelola

I've definitely sent horrible texts to my friends about my abusive ex!
Definitely. It's part of the healing and grieving process I'm sure. But I'm sure I've never been that bad and wasn't he still in the relationship with her at the time?
Russellbrandshair · 01/08/2020 06:53

Are jokes about any kind of violence ok then

No. Where on earth did I say they were?!
I’m making the point for those who defend JD that rape jokes indicate a level of misogyny that is pretty indefensible. For a CB man who has a young daughter I wonder why he would joke about such a vile thing. It’s kind of shocking.

Russellbrandshair · 01/08/2020 06:54

CB? Lol no idea where that came from. Should be... for a man

prh47bridge · 04/08/2020 13:42

I have now read a lot of the witness statements and transcripts. It is clear that the witnesses who appeared in court for NGN are pretty much all the witnesses they have. Depp's case, however, is supported by several witnesses who did not appear in court. For example, whilst only one police officer gave evidence in court (via video link), there is evidence from two officers, one of whom specialises in domestic violence. They attended an apartment used by Depp and Heard twice in one evening. They are clear that they did not see the extensive damage to the apartment alleged by Heard and her friends (who say the officers were specifically shown the damage), nor did they see the alleged injuries to Heard. NGN argues that they are lying to cover up their own incompetence.

Also lying, according to NGN, are a number of doctors and nurses who made notes showing that Heard has a problem with substance abuse (which she denies) and that conflicted with Heard's evidence in various other ways.

Other liars apparently include concierges at an apartment block where Depp and Heard stayed for a while and many others.

Then we have the interesting case of Savannah Mcmillam. Heard says she was a friend. Depp says she was an employee - Heard's assistant. If Depp is right, Mcmillam entered the US illegally. It appears Homeland Security were notified of this prompting a letter to Homeland Security, signed by Heard, stating that Mcmillam was a friend and not an employee. Heard maintains that Mcmillam wrote this letter and she merely signed it, despite the fact that the letter contains two different spellings of Mcmillam's name, both of them incorrect, along with other features that make it unlikely Mcmillam wrote it. There is also clear evidence from others that Mcmillam was employed as Heard's assistant. Whilst not directly relevant to the allegations, this suggests Heard has an interesting relationship with the truth.

There is a huge contrast between Depp's evidence and Heard's. When Depp is challenged with documentary evidence he is happy to admit his recollection must be wrong. Heard, however, is never wrong. If the documentary evidence is inconsistent with her story, either the documents are wrong or her story changes in an attempt to encompass the evidence.

Heard's story has repeatedly changed and been embellished. For example, her allegation that Depp pushed Kate Moss down some stairs did not appear in any of her witness statements. There are many other examples of new allegations being added and existing allegations embellished under cross-examination.

The evidence from her friends is simply reporting what she said so is useless as corroboration. The only real corroboration is her sister's evidence and photographs taken when she got a restraining order against Depp (note that this was an ex parte application, so she got the order based purely on her own testimony with Depp playing no part in proceedings). I suspect the incident allegedly witnessed by Heard's sister is the one NGN hope the judge will find as proven, hence their attempt to argue that one incident is enough to find in their favour (which I don't think is correct). However, her sister's evidence under oath was different from that in her witness statements and was clearly tailored to match the way Heard's story had changed. The photos are contradicted by other photos taken between the alleged assault and the court hearing which show no injuries. Also contradicting the photos are notes from a qualified nurse who examined her, also finding no injuries.

This hasn't received any press coverage as far as I can see but I note that Heard used Depp's phone to send a text to her friends saying, "I am Amber and I get what I want".

Given that recordings Heard made clearly show her admitting hitting Depp and criticising him for running away, I am certain that Heard abused Depp physically and probably also in other ways.

I cannot say for certain that Depp never hit Heard but, based on the evidence, my view is that he didn't.

I remain of the view that NGN will lose. I may be missing something as I haven't seen the full trial bundles (which sound like they are massive - my sympathy to the judge who has to wade through it all) but, based on what was heard in court, I don't understand why NGN thought they had any chance of defending their article.

SunbathingDragon · 04/08/2020 15:10

Thank you @prh47bridge and your input throughout the trial has been really useful and helpful.

Is it still likely the outcome will be early September? Is it announced in court?

penberrh · 04/08/2020 16:03

Some think that ngn don’t care if they win or lose as I understand damages are capped at a relatively £325k? What proceeding with case does bring to ngn is lots of publicity, click bait, and further opportunity in that respect by throwIng amber heard under the bus if they lose with a ‘How we were duped by evil Amber’ splash.

penberrh · 04/08/2020 16:03

relatively modest

Whatdoyouthinkaboutthisone · 04/08/2020 16:12

Hi everyone,

I’ve found this thread fascinating. I certainly didn’t expect so many posts, so thank you everyone for taking part.

Just wondering as the thread is getting near to the 1000 posts mark, should I start up a new thread or would one of the more regular posters like to do this to continue the debate?!

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Iwalkinmyclothing · 04/08/2020 16:20

@Russellbrandshair

Are jokes about any kind of violence ok then

No. Where on earth did I say they were?!
I’m making the point for those who defend JD that rape jokes indicate a level of misogyny that is pretty indefensible. For a CB man who has a young daughter I wonder why he would joke about such a vile thing. It’s kind of shocking.

Yeah, fair enough. I just find it weird when people (not saying you have done this) get up in arms about foul 'jokes' about sexual violence but are fine with foul 'jokes' about other types of violence.
CarterBeatsTheDevil · 04/08/2020 16:24

Not being able to leave someone who is bad for you and for whom you are bad alone is not what love looks like to me

Whatdoyouthinkaboutthisone · 04/08/2020 16:28

I’m not good at making decisions normally but I thought what’s the harm in starting a second thread! So if anyone wants to continue the debate please see thread 2:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3986666-Amber-Heard-Johnny-Depp-Your-thoughts-THREAD-2?watched=1

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Russellbrandshair · 04/08/2020 17:13

Yeah, fair enough. I just find it weird when people (not saying you have done this) get up in arms about foul 'jokes' about sexual violence but are fine with foul 'jokes' about other types of violence

Yes but I didn’t do this so I’m a bit baffled why you said this........

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