Amber Heard & Johnny Depp....Your thoughts?

[Whatdoyouthinkaboutthisone]

I have seen this in the news over the past couple of days and wasn't really sure what to think. It sounds to me like a very volatile relationship and it may be that they are both abusers. Or at the least they are completely incompatible with each other.

Today I noticed that Amber Heard was walking into court and she had a scarf around her face. Then she removed the scarf and smiled for everyone and waved and seemed to enjoy the cameras being there. It's just an observation but maybe the accusations of her being a narcissist could be accurate? Or is she maybe trying to put a brave face on it all under what must be a very stressful situation for all concerned?

Johnny Depp kept his mask on but was also waving for the cameras I should add.

Anyway, I'm well aware it's none of my business really, it was just something I had thought about after seeing the news today and wondered what others thought!

Does anyone know if Dan Wooton is going to be in court? Will he have to give a statement ?

@covetingthepreciousthings

Does anyone know if Dan Wooton is going to be in court? Will he have to give a statement ?

He is not due to be called as a witness. He definitely doesn't have to give a statement and I don't think he has. The argument is over whether the Sun's statement was substantially true. He has no first hand knowledge so I can't see that a statement from him would achieve anything.

Where are jd lost teeth?
I feel when she's talking about her throwing etc, she feels it's her passionate side coming out.
The whole thing thing is bizarre. She said he'd been up all night, she came down to mash potato and gravy 🤔 on a door, tons of smashed glass etc but still decided to wait several hours before calling his team?

How bloody odd? Why wait?
There words thats described the violence are so dramatic but do the injuries or so called match the words?

Also she recorded so very much, but never got him actually hitting her?

It's very sad re her on dad and mum etc.
So very sad. Johnny seems very protective of his habits too as doc said, he has romanticised his addictions.

It's interesting as the only person (third party) who allegedly witnessed any violence was Whitney but she just comes across as an unreliable witness who's now changed her statements to support AH's change of dates around the painting.

The evidence that he did beat her on those 14 occasions is very weak and it doesn't make sense that with the level of violence she's saying happened, that all the video recordings, audio, texts and photos that have been submitted as evidence haven't been able to categorically prove the violence had happened, if it actually had.

I understand that victims of DV don't routinely record evidence of their injuries, but the times she actually did weren't very conclusive and have been able to be refuted by other people seeing her afterwards and going on the James Corden show. It's scratching the bottom of the barrel in terms of evidence and surely there'd be stronger evidence over 14 alleged seriously violent incidents. There's recorded evidence of her violence towards him and whilst unacceptable, it doesn't reach the levels of what she says happened her (severed finger excepted).

I watched her depo the other night and saw her roll her eyes when the interviewer was detailing JD's injuries from her. She grew up in an abusive and violent household and seems to believe that a woman can't be abusive to a man and that if he complains about it, he's a wuss. She even mocked him about that in one of the recordings, saying no-one would believe JD was getting beaten up by little old her.

@SerenityNowwwww

Is there a legal definition of ‘wire beater’? I get the impression these two were at it like Itchy and Scratchy.

Itchy and scratchy. Shouldn't laugh, but if the cap fits. Reminds me of my parents. As much drugs and booze but sadly not the money to go with it

I also think JD’s tactic of admitting he’s a train wreck early doors has helped him appear to be the more honest party

Me too.

Yes definitely a clear Alex salmond strategy of admit it all except the main charge.

@Frenchic

I’ve worked in DA for years in different roles, refuge, court process, safety planning etc. After so many years you get a feel for who is the perp. No idea in this case, it looks like both. It seems like an unbelievably dysfunctional relationship.

Yes, it seems more like 'situational couple violence' than straight up DV.

IMO she’s nuts and he’s got no idea what constitutes abuse. I don’t understand why anyone would put all this dirty linen into the public domain and give it the airtime.
Win or lose, he’s still a huge star and will likely be ok, but I can’t see that it can benefit Amber in any way career wise and there’s still the case in the US to come.
It’s a car crash- horrifying but fascinating.

@BonnesVacances

It's interesting as the only person (third party) who allegedly witnessed any violence was Whitney but she just comes across as an unreliable witness who's now changed her statements to support AH's change of dates around the painting.

The evidence that he did beat her on those 14 occasions is very weak and it doesn't make sense that with the level of violence she's saying happened, that all the video recordings, audio, texts and photos that have been submitted as evidence haven't been able to categorically prove the violence had happened, if it actually had.

I understand that victims of DV don't routinely record evidence of their injuries, but the times she actually did weren't very conclusive and have been able to be refuted by other people seeing her afterwards and going on the James Corden show. It's scratching the bottom of the barrel in terms of evidence and surely there'd be stronger evidence over 14 alleged seriously violent incidents. There's recorded evidence of her violence towards him and whilst unacceptable, it doesn't reach the levels of what she says happened her (severed finger excepted).

I watched her depo the other night and saw her roll her eyes when the interviewer was detailing JD's injuries from her. She grew up in an abusive and violent household and seems to believe that a woman can't be abusive to a man and that if he complains about it, he's a wuss. She even mocked him about that in one of the recordings, saying no-one would believe JD was getting beaten up by little old her.

JD’s side is now putting forward proof that Whitney has lied (apparently she said AH had never attacked her and their is video proof that she has). Although there seems to be lots of subjectiveness in this court hearting from those who have taken the stand so maybe Whitney’s defence will be that she didn’t consider that behaviour to be an attack but an rage fuelled touch. 🤷🏻‍♀️

.. A rage fuelled touch.....

It's bonkers isn't it. It really is... The Irony that depp is deeply private and we've literally been in his bed.

@Ohsuchaperfectday

.. A rage fuelled touch.....

It's bonkers isn't it. It really is... The Irony that depp is deeply private and we've literally been in his bed.

Totally bonkers!

That Whitney video demonstrates she is a liar. Just gets better.

@LoafingLiz

That Whitney video demonstrates she is a liar. Just gets better.

So whilst she might have been telling the truth that she saw JD attack AH, the problem is that her entire credibility is now unreliable.

She's definitely lying. You can see a mark on her chest in the footage.

So whilst she might have been telling the truth that she saw JD attack AH, the problem is that her entire credibility is now unreliable

Exactly. There shows doubt, she should have stuck to the facts.

I think the situation with Laura Divenere is interesting too. On the one hand she's on a recording (secretly made by AH) telling her that she was forced to make a deposition saying she didn't see AH with any injuries after their final fight, and that the lawyer who made her do it was the biggest asshole in the universe. Meanwhile she's secretly emailing her lawyer saying that the statement she gave was the truth and she 100% stands behind it, and her lawyer tried valiantly but unsuccessfully to keep that fact out of court.

It supports the idea that she and Whitney try to keep on her right side and placate her, as was JD's and his staff's evidence earlier on.

She sounds horribly manipulative, with a total disregard for the law, secretly recording conversations and trying to blame other people for her actions all the time. It's not a huge stretch to think she's lying out of her arse on the stand to get back at JD for finally calling time on their marriage.

I think Laura sounded terrified on the recording. She clearly wanted to completely stay out of it because she relies on Elon Musk paying her and it would destroy her financially to not have the business of him and his connections. I think she honestly believed she wouldn't get called to give evidence and that she could tell Amber what she wanted to hear without it ever coming out that she wasn't actually pressured into giving a statement. The message that was sent to her by Depp's lawyer was actually really nice!

I also would like to see a behaviourist analyse her behaviour in court as she keeps trying to take control, such as interrupting the QC's questioning to clarify which file she should have, and isn't reacting well to being on the back foot. It all ties in with her narcissistic personality, along with her tendency to blame other people for things she's done.

I've seen a body language expert analyse that from her deposition in America, so I'm sure someone will come along and tell us the little things she's doing here to give herself away.

Laura d sounded very much like she was shielding with befuddling words what she actually wanted to say.

Ie, Amber it was awful that ass hole did this and that and it's said I saw x Y and z.

Clear instead it was... Well, dunno, perhaps, maybe, yer, like, well, err, he was like.. I'm was like... Err.. Yeah... Yeah.. But I said blah yeah...

Sounded to me that she was hiding from heard.

I would like to see a statement analysis of both of them. The way people write things down is fascinating and they’ve brought in experts to analyse statements of murder suspects etc it’s a fascinating science and simple things can show an awful lot even though they might appear insignificant.

What do we think after hearing all of the witnesses?

@beelola

What do we think after hearing all of the witnesses?

I think it’s 50/50. Is he abusive? Yes. Is she abusive? Yes. Is there enough there to make him a “wife beater”? Maybe. I suppose it depends on how you define it. Seems like she gave as good as she got, and not only to him, but the balance of power is in his favour isn’t it? I do wonder whether misogyny will come into play - she’s unlikeable and doesn’t behave like a “victim” which could swing it his way. Bear in mind that this case is against the Sun, but the case in the States is against her. Now all of this is in the public domain, I assume it can be used against her there.

There are 2 parts to this answer, whether I believe her and whether JD will win the case.

For the first, I don't believe her. Having read all the transcripts, witness statements etc, I think she's a narcissist who has mirrored her own behaviour onto JD and the physical violence, verbal abuse and emotional manipulation she describes are actually things she's done herself, not him. She grew up in a very violent and abusive household and has drawn on those experiences to embellish her accounts of what happened in her marriage.

WRT the case, there are no eye witness accounts of any physical violence between them. It's all hearsay, apart from her sister's account of the incident on the stairs. But her credibility as a witness is poor as she's been proved to have lied about the physical violence from Amber to her.

Despite her propensity for audio recording, videoing JD and taking photos of him when passed out/ asleep or damage he's caused, the level of physical evidence of injuries is disproportionate to the level of abuse she alleges. Video footage and photos show that she did not have any visible injuries after the incidents.

I believe the burden of proof is on the defence that physical abuse took place to justify calling JD a wife beater in their article. I think the defence has not sufficiently proved that and they'll lose.