Amber Heard & Johnny Depp....Your thoughts?

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I have seen this in the news over the past couple of days and wasn't really sure what to think. It sounds to me like a very volatile relationship and it may be that they are both abusers. Or at the least they are completely incompatible with each other.

Today I noticed that Amber Heard was walking into court and she had a scarf around her face. Then she removed the scarf and smiled for everyone and waved and seemed to enjoy the cameras being there. It's just an observation but maybe the accusations of her being a narcissist could be accurate? Or is she maybe trying to put a brave face on it all under what must be a very stressful situation for all concerned?

Johnny Depp kept his mask on but was also waving for the cameras I should add.

Anyway, I'm well aware it's none of my business really, it was just something I had thought about after seeing the news today and wondered what others thought!

Roo I don't think it's possible to converse further and please stop tagging me!

I've not said anything of the sort but it doesn't matter if I did.
You have clearly not been read the thread.

If you’re going to address me, I will respond. I have been on the thread. But what people’s opinions on here are, are irrelevant when it comes to the facts and evidence in the case. That’s why I told you to do some research.

Horrible people who have too much of everything and are narcissistic, drug-addled and bored.

Roo- I have been following the case closely and have not seen anything where she admits abuse throughout. Where is this?

I saw her admit to hitting him with a foot and slapping him but she claims that was self defense

She has lied on the stand and under oath about the abuse and has only admitted to punching him once to protect her sister. However she admits it in the recordings between her and JD when she has hit him (she makes a distinction between hitting and punching). When questioned about this during the case she has said she's only done this to placate him.

Closing argument for the defence today, live updated:

Sky news

There are too many inconsistencies.

There are not enough photos to substantiate the amount of bruising AH alleges occurred within the marriage. AH takes plenty of photos so why not.

There doesn't seem enough concrete evidence.

Dates are fudged then corrected to fit the evidence as it was unearthed.

AH sister is not a credible witness. AH is not a credible witness. JD is not a credible witness - although he may come across as more honest.

They are all liars. The truth is lost amongst the lies. None of them seem that pleasant.

I think it was a toxic relationship and they both gave as good as they got. I think they are both guilty of domestic abuse.

What I don't understand is in her letter she wrote to JD (but never sent) she says if someone were to record his behaviour, tge abuse, the screaming etc etc then he would be mortified. So why didn't she? She recorded so much other stuff what stopped her? It seems she only took videos and photographs of things that couldn't be concrete evidence.

I don't think she has proved he is a 'wife beater' in the sense the average person would understand the phrase.

I don't believe a lot of what she has said, tbh, but I also feel a strong sense of dislike towards her so wonder if my lack of belief comes from thinking she is horrible.

Depp seems like a total loser. Not a 'wife beater', not someone I would want or advise anyone to be a wife to.

Neither of them look any good; I bet her career will suffer far more than his.

The poison pours out of her in this interview. It's chilling. The sarcasm, the temper, the fake smiles.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ADGD8h5Mjm0

Honestly I think I've linked to the wrong video. There's a vid where she tells people to get out of the room....

So, today the judge said he is NOT legally expected to say who exactly left the excrement on the bed 😂😂😂😂.

The brief summing up from Wass was interesting. I couldn't see where she was going with much of her questions but she made a clear case for lack of knowledge due to drugs re Depp.

She linked together the drugs, his texts well especially the '' mantra '' of the staff, no make up, no marks.

She also said the remit for proving he's a wife beater is narrow ie.. One hit I think? She went into detail about whether it was still abuse whether ah hurt herself on glass he smashed... Apparently the judge sighed and seemed bored with the stacks of papers.

It will be a thrilling summing up tomorrow for Depp. How much will they push the tapes? They throw doubt on everything and according to the sky precise I read Wass didn't mention them?

They have the advantage of hearing Wass argument... What on earth will they pull out of the bag?

The judge is clearly finding it a bit exasperating!!

"at least once" is a clear attempt to change the terms of reference to suit NGN. The question is whether the Sun's allegation that Depp is a wife beater is substantially true. Given the dictionary definition of the phrase, one incident would not be remotely enough to justify the allegation. I am not convinced the judge will accept this.

Did Depp beat Heard? I can't say for sure. No-one can. But, on the evidence, it seems the entire case turns on Heard's credibility. The only evidence that Depp is a wife beater comes from her and her friends. Note that none of her friends witnessed anything so they are all essentially reporting what she said.

Ranged against Heard are Depp, his friends, some of her friends, his employees, at least one of her ex-employees and a police officer. Whilst this isn't about who has the most witnesses, the range of witnesses testifying against her coupled with the lack of physical evidence (medical reports, for example) make it difficult for NGN.

I wasn't present in court. It may be that she came across as more credible in person than she has done in reports. But adding new allegations during her evidence that were not part of her witness statements won't help her, nor will the clear inconsistencies between some of her evidence and verifiable facts.

I may be wrong but, based on the information available, I expect Depp to win.

By the way, those asking about Kate Moss giving a statement, there is no benefit to her doing so in terms of this case. Heard said that she had heard that Depp had pushed Moss down some stairs. It is not an allegation that forms part of the Sun's case nor did Heard allege it was true. Even if Moss gave a statement saying Depp had not pushed her downstairs it wouldn't take away the possibility that Heard had indeed been told a rumour to this effect.

Great post @prh47bridge

Wass's suggestion that 'one provable incident' is enough to win the case for NGN isn't a statement of fact as far as I know, it's just that, a suggestion.
The judge put it to Wass today that he was not inclined to accept any injury caused in self defence during an attack. (See 'headbutt')

AH certainly has a wealth of suggestible evidence, maybe too much to be credible....but not much of a solid, provable quality supplied by independent witnesses. There's a lot of hearsay and her only 'eye witness' has been practically obliterated as being credible.

The quality and credibility of JD's witnesses is what sets them apart.

This really is an important case as a milestone for media, the abusers and abused of domestic violence. I hope the judge finds fairly.

[quote TinySongstress]The poison pours out of her in this interview. It's chilling. The sarcasm, the temper, the fake smiles.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ADGD8h5Mjm0[/quote]
She seems fine in this bid, unless I'm being obtuse

it seems the entire case turns on Heard's credibility

Could the obvious spoon feeding of Depp’s witnesses not also impact the outcome of the case?

The reliability of Depp's witnesses is certainly something the judge will consider. I would expect more weight to be given to Heard's friend, her ex-employee and the police officer than his other witnesses. But if the judge thinks that she lacks credibility, the credibility of his witnesses isn't really an issue. If she lacks credibility I can't see how NGN can win.

I think NGN will lose. The phrase they used “wife beater” set the bar quite high. It suggests a repeated pattern. AH has come over badly. The lack of any real corroboration doesn’t help her. There seems to be more evidence of him being physically injured.

The whole relationship seems utterly toxic. I think NGN counted on him not suing but his hard drinking chaotic lifestyle was already well known so I wonder if he (or his team) took a calculated risk that any revelations in court wouldn’t damage him as much as the wife beater label.