Amber Heard & Johnny Depp....Your thoughts?

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I have seen this in the news over the past couple of days and wasn't really sure what to think. It sounds to me like a very volatile relationship and it may be that they are both abusers. Or at the least they are completely incompatible with each other.

Today I noticed that Amber Heard was walking into court and she had a scarf around her face. Then she removed the scarf and smiled for everyone and waved and seemed to enjoy the cameras being there. It's just an observation but maybe the accusations of her being a narcissist could be accurate? Or is she maybe trying to put a brave face on it all under what must be a very stressful situation for all concerned?

Johnny Depp kept his mask on but was also waving for the cameras I should add.

Anyway, I'm well aware it's none of my business really, it was just something I had thought about after seeing the news today and wondered what others thought!

Plenty wrong with JD but I don't think he's a wife beater.

@RunningAwaywiththeCircus I'm not sure the US trial will settle. Johnny is bringing that case and although it carries a hefty financial win for JD, I think a lot of this is about him wanting to be fully exonerated of these claims, in the public eye.
Plus, he's suing her for 50million, her net worth is only 9million. I don't think she could come up with enough to make him back off.

Re the US libel proceedings, I think AH will try to wriggle out of it by saying that her reference to DV in her article in the Washington Post referred to her upbringing and relationship with her dad, who she has said in the past was violent towards her and her mum, and presumably Whitney too. She didn't expressly say she was referring to her marriage to JD, though it's possible the WP edited that out so they didn't end up in the same position as NGN. So JD might lose that on a technicality as he has to prove she was explicitly talking about him, rather than what everyone inferred.

Whilst reading the court documents for the libel case, I saw that they had 87 pieces of surveillance proving that AH didn't have the visible injuries she said she did. I wonder why these haven't been used in the UK case?

Don't the US proceedings start before the judgement is given over here anyway? I think he doesn't care if he wins or loses, he just wants it all out in the open.

Isn't part of her claim in the US and the article in question partly to do with 'sexual violence' which she's spoken out as being a victim of several times. AFAIK, those aren't claims levelled at her Father and can't be construed as such.

By claim, I mean claiming in the press. Not court.

I agree his intention is to clear his name, rightly so.

Agree with poster who said it's not strong enough to say she was habitually abused, if, that's the definition that needs to met.

I do feel for Amber herd. In some ways she sounded very naive. She was evidently seduced by jd power and Wealth.
There were a good parts to their relationship and clearly he has a heavy personality, and major addictions not helped by this enormous retinue of people paid to keep him upright and earning.

He does seem to have wanted to keep clean for her, but perhaps she took this too far? Fell into a role of nurse maid.... His inspiration to get clean. Then she came between him and his addictions and the addictions won out. She's too young.

Who knows.
Maybe she is a awful but her home life sounds pretty damaging,and she has lost her mum.
I don't think she has done anything to deserve no career.
I hope he has deep retrospective moments, during his evidence he did stumble and then quietly admit that she was actually caring and did go through a lot to help in in the Bahamas.

I hope he doesn't see this as glamorous and pulls back on the drugs etc.

I don't see how anyone could feel sorry for her. The audio recordings are awful. She switches personas so quickly it's actually scary, she covertly records private conversations and cannot take responsibility for any of her actions.

Beelola, maybe product of abusive violent drugs addicted parents?

Even if her parents were genuinely violent, abusive drug addicts, where do you draw the line? She's had/got the money and resources to seek whatever help and support she needs, which admittedly doesn't help every single person, but could have taught her (and JD too tbf!) hope to cope with situations better. Does having shitty parents excuse treating an assistant like crap, hitting people, persistent dishonesty, etc?

This is such an interesting case, I can't quite believe JD let this come to court and have everything in his life there for all to read. He comes out of it very badly I think, I don't believe his denial of the 'monster' he himself refers to it as does his staff and AH. He proved himself a lier that he wasn't drinking/taking drugs before the flight, many texts show he was. He proved himself as a lier that he's a southern gentleman- loads of derogatory comments about women and sex workers, including his ex wife even, previous violent incidents.

But then AH is a lier too, there is no possibly that she was beaten over 14 years and no one saw a bruise on her. I think she has exaggerated the fights they had to make him seem the only one being physical. However, I do think the power, money and loyalty JD has had he or someone on his team have got the power over staff to silence them. I bet some of them did see him committing physical violence too. I find it hard to believe he walked away calmly from every confrontation.

It seems to me they are both lying. They had a mutually toxic relationship where they were both physically and verbally abusive. AH giving as good as she got.

It's very weird that they would record their fights etc, JD was incredibly stupid to think there was no possibility that they might get leaked.

Did anything come of the Kate Moss incident? I'm guessing she didn't come forward with a statement ?

It wouldn’t have mattered if Moss made a statement regarding being pushed down the stairs or not. AH wasn’t relying on that being true, just that she had heard a rumour about it and that’s what caused her to think Depp was about to push her sister down the stairs.

I do find it telling that Moss never made a witness statement like his other exes did. He claimed that she was asleep during the whole trashing-the-hotel-room incident and I think under cross examination of Moss she may have had a different story.

@Ohsuchaperfectday you are mistaken, he lost his mum 3 days before she filed for divorce. Her mum is still alive.
Also, it was her who seduced him, flattered him, mirrored, love bombed. As narcissists tend to do.
She also abused him throughout their relationship, she admits to this on recording.
Do some research.

Wow absolutely no need for the vicious responses to me saying I feel sorry for her.

I do feel sorry for her.

I feel sorry for him and his mostly his children.
Feeling sorry for someone isn't excusing them,itt's also not a mutually exclusive feeling.

I can feel sorry for someone, not absolve their behaviour to someone else, think blah and blah.

And I'm not mistaken, her mother passed away this year.

Even the most ardent Johnny Depp fan would surly agree he can't be the easiest person to deal with? It's clear without a doubt his drug and alcohol abuse is off the richter scale?
That's not easy for anyone to deal with, whether they are a Saint or the most awful narracisitic person on earth.

I don't think anybody on here believes he's an angel. Most people agree that he's got abusive tendencies and a clear drug and alcohol issue. It isn't always black and white in these things but there's absolutely no reason to feel sorry for her. Her treatment of him, her sister, her friends and the staff has been awful. There's a lot that we obviously don't know. Maybe he paid the witnesses to lie for him. Maybe he started abusing drugs again because of her treatment of him. But from what we do know, it's clear that of the 14 allegations she has made, she has certainly lied about more than 1 of them.

Vicious?!

Amber Heards mum did die, this year. I think its pretty irrelevant to this though.

I'd say Kate Moss didn't want to appear in court as they would have spoken to her about her own drug abuse and whether she was reliable enough to remember herself what happened during his binges.

There's definitely a grey area in JD's behaviour, and I've noticed both Vanessa and Winona were careful to reference physical abuse. But that's what the court case is over. Wife beater refers to physical violence towards her, not whether she suffered (mutual) verbal abuse, or emotional abuse due to his addictions.

The Sun said JD was guilty of causing the injuries that AH was showing at the hearing for the TRO. The UK case hasn't proved that he did, IMO.

I feel sorry for anyone who has been raised, in a violent drug addled family.

Her mum dying is a tragic event for anyone who, however its relevant on a thread where a curt poster had commanded another to '' do someone research '' 😂

@Ohsuchaperfectday get a grip! My post nor the other one after me was not in the least bit “viscous”.
So I’m mistaken, her mother did pass away. 4 years after they broke up but apparently you think that’s more deserving of sympathy than his mother dying 3 days before their separation

When do we find out the outcome?