Madeleine McCann- new suspect thread 2

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@MittensTheSerpent this guy has been on the police radar for literally about 25 years. He was one of the many people investigated at the time MM disappeared. The Met have been involved in investigating him too. He has multiple convictions.
Do you honestly think the police have video footage of murdering MM and just haven’t got round to charging him yet?
That’s just bonkers

A beach in Portugal in June I would imagine likely to be reasonably busy. Unless it was a completely empty beach and an abductor just happened to chance upon a lone boy, it doesn’t seem possible that this boy was taken

It’s tragic to think of him running ahead and into the sea and drowning but that seems a far more likely explanation

If the beach was busy and the little boy got into distress in the water then surely someone would have seen and gone to his aid. You wouldn't just look and watch if you saw a kid floundering in the water. Plus the boys dad said his son knew not to go into the sea alone.

So, I can fully see how he would have got changed excitedly waiting for his parents to catch up so he could go and swim and during that time he was either a) snatched because the beach was quiet and no-one around, or b) he was snatched despite the beach being busy because sadly, unless the boy was kicking and screaming, people would have just assumed they were together.

Just a thought, but if he is linked to the missing German girl too, she was older than Madeleine - if there is unclear and undated stuff evidence of a young (but not 4yo) blonde girl, it could be uncertain which of them it is.

No I didn't search for chat room entries - of course not.
It was embedded in the Guardian article - wish I hadn't read it tbh.

People would probably assume that a blonde young German guy carrying a blonde kicking and screaming German child were together too. They might remember it though, if asked.

Drowning doesn't generally look like floundering btw, it's silent. So it's not impossible that he drowned.

@LivinLaVidaLoki

I always think of poor Lindy Chamberlain when I see Kate McCann. Hung by the public because she didnt cry enough or look sad enough.

Someone linked a YT like to a team that catches child abusers by identifying them through study of their hands/veins on videos they make during abuse, as no two hands can ever be the same, like fingerprints.

In one case, the jury were provided with video evidence of a father abusing his daughter (the girl switched Skype on on her laptop which automatically changes to infrared when it’s dark in a room) yet they found the father not guilty because the girl didn’t cry enough. What a depraved works we live in, it feels like women and girls’ lives are worth less than men’s.

What strikes me is that so many children go missing without all the fanfare of the McCann case or the money raised to help with finding them.

That has crossed my mind too. We only hear of British children never the European children who have gone missing.
The McCann's put a massive effort into getting her name out there internationally.
I imagine that it's part of being an island, still with border controls. People can't just smuggle an abducted child into the UK. So its probably a waste of time to appeal in the UK for info.

I am slightly surprised that the Jonana (Spelling?) The other girl who went missing in PDL area isn't also being investigated. But at the same time that probably involves the Portuguese police wanting to be involved and reopen the case.

When the police searched his German house they found girls clothes but couldn't link them to the case they were investigating.

I wonder if they are linked to one of the other cases.

I think as good an outcome is going to be life for him. And closure of all the parents/ families involved.

It’s not at all unlikely that if the beach were busy and other people in the sea, a small boy unsupervised could drown. Drowning isn’t always obvious. Of course, it’s also unlikely that an older teenager speaking the same language and enticing a younger boy away would look that obvious either.
My point was that the disappearance was investigated and if the beach were busy, there would have been witnesses whose memories were jogged - eg ‘yes there was a tall blond teenager talking to a young blond boy in another language. I assumed they were together but now it’s clear they weren’t’ etc

Point being, despite the disappearance being investigated, there was no evidence to accuse anyone of abduction. Drowning seems on balance a far more likely outcome given that drownings are way more common than stranger abduction

Surely the reason the German police believe Bruckner killed her is because he filmed it.

No, I don't think that is the case. The German police read the chat logs, where the suspect wrote how he would like to 'get himself something small to use for days'. And whe challenged by the guy in the chat about this being risky he said something like: 'Not risky, if you destroy the evidence.'

So, if the police think this chat is evidence the suspect is responsible for child abduction, they will also conclude that his 'modus operandi' is to kill the child ('destroy the evidence') afterwards.

Also, not sure how she could still be alive in such a scenario, unless the guy sold her to someone else. For this, which would have been risky for the subject, police proably just don't have any evidence at all. Something like that may simply not be in line with what they know about the suspect. So, if they believe suspect did it, they consequently have to believe suspect murdered his victim.

Re the possible drowning case, there's a report that tidal experts say its unlikely.

I imagine that means the tide was coming in rather than out, so even if he did drown unlikely his body would have disappeared.

If the beach was busy and the little boy got into distress in the water then surely someone would have seen and gone to his aid. You wouldn't just look and watch if you saw a kid floundering in the water

Drowning on TV and in films usually involves floundering, splashing, shouting. In real life it is usually a very quiet slipping under the water and not being able to get back up to the top.

If the boy did drown close to shore then it's more than likely his body would have washed up but as it didn't there is a chance he was taken.

I think one of the biggest scandals to come out of this whole thing will be that multiple police forces were aware of him and had multiple opportunities to pick him up but didn't.

I think one of the biggest scandals to come out of this whole thing will be that multiple police forces were aware of him and had multiple opportunities to pick him up but didn't.

That's really the biggest take away, isn't it. Infuriating.

I agree, the person they are hoping to come forward is also likely to be a criminal associate. Crimes like this are often solved with associates talking many years later, there may be a girlfriend who was coerced, or others who were paid to keep silent. One thing that is guaranteed is that people talk. Someone will know. Making this public means that people who have heard whispers will come forward.

The police statement also suggests this.
“There is reason to assume that there are other persons, apart from the suspect, who have concrete knowledge of the course of the crime and maybe also of the place where the body was left,” a statement said.

"Surely the reason the German police believe Bruckner killed her is because he filmed it."

I'm afraid that's the awful thought that I also had.

Without knowing what was said in the chat, it's impossible to know why the police would take from it what they have.

When I read about what he said & then destroying evidence, it didn't necessarily make me think that that was what he had done to Madeleine, more that her disappearance made him decide to take a child & make sure that he left no evidence.

I think one of the biggest scandals to come out of this whole thing will be that multiple police forces were aware of him and had multiple opportunities to pick him up but didn't.

Picking someone like him up is often easier said than done. I can't remember the killer but the 3 wee girls in the UK killed by the truck driver. Took years to get him. Same with the Vicky Hamilton case, wasn't until he killed someone else they linked him and then found a 3rd girl while looking for Vicky's body.
Its almost like putting together bits of a puzzle.

The Portuguese police really don't seem to have helped eithee, not really investigating things going for the easy answer.

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

Sorry I don't normally @ at people but I totally concur.
A long time ago I was following case, great depth, huge amount of resources and when the perp got to Amsterdam, due to different regulations there... British police couldn't do anything. It was my first gob snacks moment at how criminals can flit from country to country with no information linking them to crimes, no matter redress, follow up.. I could not believe it. Now to think this man has been causally wandering all over the eu!!

Doing god knows what. Why oh why wasn't something coherent and water tight on all these issues, gubs, modern slavery, sex trafficking, drugs put into place before Borders were opened up!!
It beggars belief.

Right now though he hasn't been convicted of any of these crimes. It feels like the media are creating such an atmosphere of revulsion that might flush out people who are now thinking 'three kids?' and deciding against keeping quiet.

Yes black it's hard enough to track a serial killer on in one relatively small country but dozens....

How?

The Yorkshire ripper spent years murdering and it was only after they pieced together his movements that a centralised police system came in to place.

For all the technology and systems we have, this case has shown the holes and flaws and I don’t think they will ever have enough to convict him unless more people talk.

I don't know if it's been mentioned on another thread, but in Australia there is a little boy named William Tyrell who was taken from his yard age 3. He's never been found, it's a very well known case here. Is it known in the UK?

And more people can’t talk unless they know who he is/his movements/his history/fear they’ll be implicated too (the phone number etc). That’s the reason the press have gone for him. They just want someone else to confirm it.

Sorry I don't normally @ at people but I totally concur.

Off tangent, but I don’t get why people are sensitive about being tagged?

Never heard of William Tyrell. Why would these things be reported internationally? The odds of the child being found in the UK is beyond remote. Two lots of border controls, passports etc.

I can see an argument for European cases to be reported across Europe. And it makes a lot of sense for it to happen, esp with the amount of travel between UK and mainland Europe but not so much beyond that.

Trouble is, Whenever the police use That phrase: ‘over the years, loyalties may have changed’ it makes me think: ‘yes, but changed in what way?’

For any one person who might be able to come forward with some genuine piece of information, you can bet your life there are a dozen more coming forward with false information.

The likes of Breukner won’t have associated with honest upstanding members of the community. They are likely to be criminals too. There may be god knows how many who’d quite happily see him banged up for another crime and may give false information. There’s also a weird kind of ‘moral code’ among criminals whereby someone who’s “only” a burglar will judge someone who has sex offence convictions as well as burglary.

I can’t imagine the task of starting to unravel what might be true, what might be people with a grudge against Breukner, quite aside from all the fantasists that often email in after an appeal like this and have nothing useful to add.

They’ll be looking for deals probably. Let me off this and I’ll tell you about that. It’s how it works, it shouldn’t but it does