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Madeleine McCann- new suspect thread 2

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Smallsteps88 · 05/06/2020 23:37

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Blackbear19 · 13/06/2020 10:02

There are a great many people who have no knowledge at all of trauma responses

That is so true. Trauma responses are weird.
Totally different, if someone ask me 3 months ago how a small kid would react to their finger tip hanging off. I'd have said squealing / crying but reality was complete silence.

Hearwego · 13/06/2020 10:02

Although the ideas of the kids alone in a hotel room seems unacceptable, from a balanced point of view I can understand the theory.
The family booked a dinner table for 8.30 for example, with a view to finishing at 10 or 10.30. Children especially when tired, would generally sleep through that time. I think they didn’t send them to the crèche because they didn’t want to disturb their sleep. So leaving them in their own beds for a couple of hours seemed justified.
I think they were in a false sense of security. The resort seemed a safe place and remember until then, I don’t think any other British kid had ever been stolen from their hotel bed before MM.
I also think that the other couples did the same thing so I imagine there was a bit of peer pressure involved, although one of them had a baby monitor.
So I can see why they did what they did even if we all agree it was bad decision.

Arewedone · 13/06/2020 10:24

Let’s hope the system doesn’t see him released over the rape charge. It doesn’t appear they have enough to charge him with MM abduction and doesn’t seem they will find direct evidence if it’s true they warned him back in 2013 he was going to be investigated.

PrincessConsuelaVaginaHammock · 13/06/2020 11:36

@Blackbear19

There are a great many people who have no knowledge at all of trauma responses

That is so true. Trauma responses are weird.
Totally different, if someone ask me 3 months ago how a small kid would react to their finger tip hanging off. I'd have said squealing / crying but reality was complete silence.

Yup. And these people surely know they've never learned anything academically or professionally about responses to extreme trauma, nor been there themselves. Yet they still imagine themselves qualified to make an assumption, and we've created a climate where they feel empowered to share it.
Iwalkinmyclothing · 13/06/2020 11:45

I remember at the time getting really annoyed with people who complained about how Gerry and Kate didn't seem upset enough. To me they looked like utterly broken and terrified people trying desperately to hold it together enough to drive people to keep looking and caring. And they are doctors, who have more experience than most of remaining outwardly calm and functioning in the face of overwhelming pressure. Ds1 was a baby at the time and I remember feeding him watching the TV news and aching to reach through the screen and hug them both.

More on the subject of this thread, I think there are many people who have no idea- and tbh why should they?- of the extent of organised CSE and the work done all the time to try to track down the perpetrators. I look at the europol site often, knowing the chances of me ever recognising anything are virtually zero... but there is always a chance. It might seem like nothing but if someone can say "that object is a can of dry shampoo and the design on the bottle is the one X brand sold in Eastern Europin the early 90s" for example, that could be the piece of information needed for the police to pinpoint an abuse image to an area, a vague date, even an individual. It must be worth trying.

Coquohvan · 13/06/2020 12:19

Sadly GM mother passed last week. So sad for all MM wasn’t found before her death.

KatherineJaneway · 13/06/2020 12:40

Sadly GM mother passed last week. So sad for all MM wasn’t found before her death

That's really sad

Smallsteps88 · 13/06/2020 12:55

Personally all the comments about how people come across as cold/aloof/unlikeable in these situations baffle me. Its like the people saying it have never met actual human beings with personalities. Not everyone is likeable, or warm. Some people are proper arseholes for most of their waking hours. Some people are anxiety ridden, suffering from depression etc and are using every ounce of strength they have to hold themselves together in front of flashing cameras and journalists and police investigators. Some people have very poor social skills and simply aren’t used to having to smile when it’s expected whether they feel like it or not. The world is full of a huge range of personalities. Someone being a victim of a random attack and thrown in front of the press doesn’t suddenly change them into a lovely smiley outgoing “perfect victim”.

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GiantKitten · 13/06/2020 13:05

Having read the comment earlier about the McCann twins I did a bit of googling &, of course, mostly found stories with images from their long stay in PDL (as they’ve managed very well to keep their privacy since then)

It was a revelation to see how relaxed & smiley G & K were while playing with them, compared with their tense misery in the press appearances. They were clearly a very happy family of 5 & must have been baffled by the degree of hostility they received.

www.nowtolove.com.au/parenting/family/madeleine-mccann-siblings-now-54704

Hearwego · 13/06/2020 13:12

There was an article written in 2007 from a British holidaymaker who was there the same time. She said that GM was friendly and jovial, from what she saw if him before.
So that would put a different spin in the McCanns. I also believe they’re catholic’s aswell, so maybe their faith gives them hope? I don’t know, just assuming.
I suppose the McCanns were probably quite bitter about being named suspects when they were innocent. The media also flip flopped between theories, one minute they were their best friends, the next they turned on them. They probably had mistrust for the media, yet needed them at the same time.
Not relevant to MMs case but GMs mother died recently of a coronavirus related illness so died not knowing.

DigOutThoseLemonHandWipes · 13/06/2020 13:12

@Smallsteps88 and of course how well would it go down if they did smile for cameras? That would just lead to "how can they smile" "smile? Looks like a smirk to me" "See how happy they are, I would never be able to smile again" etc

Smallsteps88 · 13/06/2020 13:15

Exactly! They could never win in the eyes of the press. The press would spin whatever they did for a story.

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LastTrainEast · 13/06/2020 13:35

So it turns out there's no evidence the guy was involved and everyone will be eager to apologise to him. Innocent until proven guilty

LastTrainEast · 13/06/2020 13:37

btw it's 'cadaver dog' not 'sniffer dog'. There's a difference.

deepwatersolo · 13/06/2020 13:39

I read the ‚aloofness‘ as shell shock - not really feeling or even actively rejecting that what is happening is real - and later on just rejecting the whole situation and trying to get through it, somehow. Even without the hostility that they must have felt at times (being suspects, being blamed for leaving the kids in the sppartment) I can understand why they didn’t make a soul striptease but kept their distance.

Smallsteps88 · 13/06/2020 13:48

@LastTrainEast

So it turns out there's no evidence the guy was involved and everyone will be eager to apologise to him. Innocent until proven guilty
Where have you seen this?
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AlternativePerspective · 13/06/2020 13:57

Well of course he’s innocent until proven guilty. And even though the media and people on here want to believe that he was responsible, doesn’t mean that he was.

There’s no doubt he’s a vile human being but that doesn’t automatically make him guilty of this particular disappearance.

Smallsteps88 · 13/06/2020 14:02

I’m interested in where @LastTrainEast has seen that it turns out there’s is no evidence he (assume they mean CB) was involved.

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EvilPea · 13/06/2020 14:13

When your that much of a scum bag I don’t think anyone needs to apologise about falsely accusing them of behaving like a scum bag in this Instance.

Viviennemary · 13/06/2020 14:30

I wish people would stop saying Madeleine was left in a hotel room. It wasn't a hotel it was an apartment block.

AlternativePerspective · 13/06/2020 14:40

@ EvilPea it’s not about apologising.

It’s about wanting to be so convinced that someone is guilty that the case is essentially dropped and if he isn’t guilty, then the real perpetrator will never be found because so much time has been invested in convincing everyone that this particular bloke did it.

Arewedone · 13/06/2020 14:51

I seriously doubt the German police would have been so bold in their claims if they didn’t think he was involved in some way.

DigOutThoseLemonHandWipes · 13/06/2020 15:06

Given that the German police aren't actively investigating the disappearance of a German girl, in Germany more recently I can't imagine that they were actively investigating the disappearance of a British girl in Portugal 13 years ago. Given that I don't think it's a huge leap to assume that they have uncovered something in course of another investigation that has lead them to connect CB to MM. It obviously is something that can't be used in court but I don't think they would involve themselves in a cold case that has nothing to do with their police force without something triggering that.

Blackbear19 · 13/06/2020 16:19

Where has it been said they aren't actively investigating the case of the German girl?

I am fairly sure the German police are trying to get him for as many as they can.

User1775836552 · 13/06/2020 16:28

I think someone in custody has traded information with them or an undercover operation has found something out. Why else would they be so cagey?