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Madeleine McCann- new suspect thread 2

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Smallsteps88 · 05/06/2020 23:37

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SouthWestmom · 06/06/2020 09:10

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But that's not comparing like with like. The Mccans are UK parents and so any resources other than their own fundraising and efforts would be UK.

PurplePansy05 · 06/06/2020 09:15

The criteria used by German police in assessing whether the case remains a missing person investigation or moves into a murder investigation might be different to those used by British police.

Regarding the reporting, I said this on the earlier thread - this man is unlikely to face trial in the UK and in Germany there are no jury trials and limited restrictions on pre-trial reporting. It is therefore unlikely to cause prejudice.

Snagscardies · 06/06/2020 09:15

I'm heartbroken for the family of René, to have grown to accept/live with the fact your child drowned is one thing, but to be called all these years later and to think that he may have been kidnapped and abused is just heartbreaking.
I believe at the time the currants/tide would have made the chance of a body not being washed up very unlikely.

SisterAgatha · 06/06/2020 09:18

I don’t think the media can pipe down until they have secured the evidence. The appeals for information are being done SO that they can secure the evidence.

They know someone close to this man knows. He has confessed to a friend. They know the cause of death (presumably he said it in the chat room or to the friend). They just need someone to come out and testify to this, maybe a friend, conspirator, or ex. That is the point of making it so public. There will be no dna evidence now even if the cars hadn’t been scrapped. This will have to be done the old fashioned way, with info and confessions from people there at the time.

SisterAgatha · 06/06/2020 09:19

Basically the NO1 evidence is the body. And someone in Portugal knows where it is.

IHateCoronavirus · 06/06/2020 09:23

BlueTreeBlue thank you for your insight. It goes to show that what filters back through the media is not always as it is.
Those poor little girls though FlowersBearFlowersBear

Dk20 · 06/06/2020 09:23

@Caelano

I still don’t get why a link is being made with the boy who went missing on the beach years earlier. He ran ahead from his family while walking there and they found his clothes on the beach. What abductor/ murderer would leave the child’s clothes on the beach? Tragic but it seems obvious he ran into the sea and drowned
Perhaps the boy ran ahead and took off his clothes to run into the sea, but while naked and before running into the sea was carried away by a stranger
Mornington1 · 06/06/2020 09:24

My hope is that Madeleine McCann is found alive, but have my doubts. If she is dead, I hope the killer faces justice and the body is found, so a funeral can take place.

The PR operation that this has had still is something I dislike though.

SisterAgatha · 06/06/2020 09:27

I always think about Ben Needham with this case. Lots of people on Kos knew where his body was and what had happened to him, they knew for many many years. Never said a word, even with all those appeals from poor Kerry and her family. Her parents lived on the island and felt part of the community. However it took till the man died before anyone came out and told the truth, and it seems it wasn’t even malicious, it was an accident. No matter who you are, what crime you’ve committed, there will be people willing to protect you. There are people in Portugal and potentially Germany now, protecting this man.

Snagscardies · 06/06/2020 09:28

SisterAgatha or Germany. Open borders it would have been easy to return to Germany without getting stopped.

Snagscardies · 06/06/2020 09:29

I didn't think the Ben Needham case was closed?

JMAngel1 · 06/06/2020 09:30

I just read an article that I wished I hadn't - he is evil personified. Pray that the McCanns don't read his online chat entries.

JoesExotic · 06/06/2020 09:31

Someone upthread asked 'if the German Police know more than we do'...
Of course they do! We're only privy to a tiny percentage of what they know. They're just dropping breadcrumbs of information in order to garner more evidence. They won't leave this to chance...

Dickorydockwhatthe · 06/06/2020 09:31

Well alot of strange things have happened this year so I really sincerely hope there is a happy ending to this story. I hope these parents finally have some closure.

JoesExotic · 06/06/2020 09:32

I'm struggling to envisage a 'happy ending' to any of this....

BeyondDreamsOfBeyondFourWalls · 06/06/2020 09:32

Yy noeuf.

Re the evidence the German police have of her having been murdered vs the English police saying they are still treating as missing - that could be as simple as different levels of proof required by different systems. IMO though, it is linked to the statement that he made his other victims wear masks - there could be photo/video evidence of a child believed to be her, but unable to be 100% certain. If anyone else (ie him) in it is unidentifiable too, all they have is evidence of an unidentified child and unidentified adult. They can believe it is him and Madeleine, but without corroborative evidence it is not enough on its own

SisterAgatha · 06/06/2020 09:34

It was Dino, it’s only his son who says his dad would never have done such a thing. Lots of witnesses testify it was an accident. People who knew and didn’t come forward for 18+ years. Sad

JoesExotic · 06/06/2020 09:34

Several news sources have said the police know the method of her death. Which is very specific.

Snagscardies · 06/06/2020 09:35

Agree joesexotic the only -'happy ending' would be to find out she died in the apartment break in, the alternative now is horrendous.

AlternativePerspective · 06/06/2020 09:37

I just read an article that I wished I hadn't - he is evil personified. Pray that the McCanns don't read his online chat entries. Why would anyone want to read his chat entries? Seriously why?

It is immensely ghoulish to read through the online chat entries of someone who has committed such horrific crimes. Even if those entries are part of an article on his history.

Patch23042 · 06/06/2020 09:44

I’m really hoping for some answers for the McCanns and others. It’s looking likely.

Snagscardies · 06/06/2020 09:45

It's Madeleine btw

BlueTreeBlue · 06/06/2020 09:48

I too am hoping for a big break-through. I honestly thought it was never going to be solved.
All these cases are heart-breaking in different ways.

Caelano · 06/06/2020 09:50

SisterAgatha

‘I don’t think the media can pipe down until they have secured the evidence. The appeals for information are being done SO that they can secure the evidence.

They know someone close to this man knows. He has confessed to a friend. They know the cause of death (presumably he said it in the chat room or to the friend). They just need someone to come out and testify to this, maybe a friend, conspirator, or ex. That is the point of making it so public. There will be no dna evidence now even if the cars hadn’t been scrapped. This will have to be done the old fashioned way, with info and confessions from people there at the time’

I really hope it doesn’t come down to this. The reality is that anyone coming forward to say this man spoke to them/ confessed is highly likely to be a dodgy character themself. Perhaps a career criminal wanted to do some sort of deal, a former cell mate or girlfriend with a grudge.... it becomes ones person’s word against another.

I’m reminded of the terrible Chillenden murders about 25 years ago when a mum and her daughters were bludgeoned. Two were killed and one daughter survived with horrendous injuries. Someone was convicted On the basis of a ‘confession’ to a cell mate. The cell mate witness later retracted his confession. There was no DNA from the man convicted despite items at the scene that he would have touched... clothing used to tie up the victims Sad Many years later the theory was put forward that the killer Of Milly Dowler and others may have been responsible.

There is highly unlikely to be any forensic evidence now. It really feels like clutching at straws by the German police. I’ve no doubt they want the guy put away for A very long time, but it’s no justice for MM if the wrong person is convicted.

That’s one of the risks with such a High profile case... people are out with their pitchforks and it’s a case of wanting someone to be held accountable. This guy is clearly a vile criminal, so I doubt anyone will shed a tear however long he’s banged up for whichever of his crimes. But I really hope they get this right. At least it’s not trial by jury in Germany which is probably a good thing when you look at some of the crazy opinions on these threads. We see the two extremes: from those who don’t seem to want anyone convicted because they’re just consumed with hatred towards the McCanns, to those who are practically saying ‘I’m sure it’s him.’
Makes you despair.

ScrambledSmegs · 06/06/2020 09:53

Why would anyone want to read his chat entries? Seriously why?

I think JMAngel read the same Guardian article I did, they didn't go looking for chat entries. It was linked to on the first thread. It was just dropped into the article, halfway through.

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