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Madeleine McCann- new suspect thread 2

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Smallsteps88 · 05/06/2020 23:37

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PurplePansy05 · 06/06/2020 07:07

I might be confusing the cases, but I believe Joana's case was discussed at length in the Netflix documentary about Madeleine's disappearance. I truly hope this case is reviewed now too, all I'm reading is that the German police is leading the investigation and British police is also active, but the Portuguese police not so much. Not sure how true this is and hope for the sake of that little girl and her poor family they will reopen this investigation asap.

PurplePansy05 · 06/06/2020 07:10

Why would a defence team work with someone like this? I can’t get my head around that.

Because everyone has the right to be represented in criminal proceedings. Don't forget about the presumption of innocence. Besides, this is a job of criminal lawyers, it's what they do and in doing so they are fulfilling their duties. It's like asking why doctors save lives of murderers and rapists. Because it's their job and duty - and later they can face a fair trial which won't be subject to legal challenges.

dottiedodah · 06/06/2020 07:27

No one can really judge whether MMs parents "should" have left her.As Kate Mc Cann said ,it was the thing that lots parents did in this hotel .As far as an "ending" for them ,it must be unimaginable for them to think of her at the hands of this complete monster .Lets hope the German Police can hold on to him.He needs to be put away for life .

RunningAwaywiththeCircus · 06/06/2020 07:38

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BlueTreeBlue · 06/06/2020 07:44

The Joana case cannot be compared to MM. it is completely different. I’ve been living in the Algarve for thirty years now and have followed it very closely.
The German boy I could believe that it would be related, but it’s such a strange case too, a little boy disappearing out of sight, taking off his clothes and drowning so quickly with no one seeing.

PurplePansy05 · 06/06/2020 07:48

Why is it completely different?

leftovercoffeecake · 06/06/2020 07:49

He’s currently in prison for a drug charge. So even if he does get released, he’s going to remain in custody for the rape charge.

I read that here in the independent: www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-christian-brueckner-inga-gehricke-missing-suspect-germany-prison-update-a9551421.html

BlueTreeBlue · 06/06/2020 07:52

The Joana case is more similar to the Valentina case which we had very recently and is absolutely horrific.

RunningAwaywiththeCircus · 06/06/2020 07:55

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BlueTreeBlue · 06/06/2020 07:58

@PurplePansy05 the Joana case has been reported in more detail here. It is mainly the family circumstances which are completely different with the child living in a very unstable environment and without support, and lots of social problems in the family and previous involvement of family members in small criminality. It is more of a text book child abuse case. I know there were issues with the interviewing, confession etc. But please bear in mind this was the very first case in Portugal where someone was convicted of murder without a body having been found, because all the other evidence was so strong. The case has been reported differently here and also in the Netflix documentary which I watched with interest.

FruitPastillesaregood · 06/06/2020 08:01

What strikes me is that so many children go missing without all the fanfare of the McCann case or the money raised to help with finding them. They aren’t brought to public attention . It’s a crime in itself that these children’s lives don’t matter just as much.

BlueTreeBlue · 06/06/2020 08:05

Living here for all this time and working in schools, you do get confronted with a lot of societal issues in the Algarve. Some areas are still quite remote. A lot of people work in tourism, and are extremely busy in the high season and are made unemployed from their jobs each year in September. They then start work again in April, living on benefits in the Winter months. There is no other solution because there is a very high level of unemployment. Very often both parents in the family are in the same situation. This unemployment leads to precarious situations, unstability, mental health issues. There is still a lot and I mean a lot of domestic violence in Portugal. It’s a complex society.

Caelano · 06/06/2020 08:07

The little German boy who went missing on the beach about eleven years earlier than MM - surely, as his clothes were found on the beach, it’s far more likely that he went in the sea and drowned? Why on earth would an abductor/ murderer leave a child’s clothes with DNA evidence on them?

It would also be useful to know how many people were on the beach at the time. A beach in Portugal in June I would imagine likely to be reasonably busy. Unless it was a completely empty beach and an abductor just happened to chance upon a lone boy, it doesn’t seem possible that this boy was taken

It’s tragic to think of him running ahead and into the sea and drowning but that seems a far more likely explanation.

Alicia870 · 06/06/2020 08:08

Forgive me if I'm being dim but why are the German police treating it as a murder case all of a sudden after all these years? What is leading them to believe she's dead? Do they know something we don't? And has he actually been arrested for the crime?

BlueTreeBlue · 06/06/2020 08:11

This is the Valentina case in Portugal in case people are interested. It is very upsetting.

www.portugalresident.com/crowd-heckles-and-shrieks-assassins-as-tragic-valentinas-father-and-stepmother-arrive-in-court/

AlternativePerspective · 06/06/2020 08:16

as for him, he needs to be put away for life.

I think it’s worth bearing in mind here that he hasn’t even been charged let alone convicted for this or other disappearances.

There is no doubt that he is a complete lowlife, but. The international press are potentially doing more harm than good here. Publishing his name while it is against German law for instance, if he is charged and tried on a technicality, (because the evidence here is mostly circumstantial,) it would be very easy to argue that he did not have a fair trial and could therefore be acquitted.

if he was responsible for MM’s disappearance and others, the media need to pipe down until the evidence is secured, otherwise they will have prejudicing a trial on their consciences.

ArriettyJones · 06/06/2020 08:17

@PurplePansy05

Why would a defence team work with someone like this? I can’t get my head around that.

Because everyone has the right to be represented in criminal proceedings. Don't forget about the presumption of innocence. Besides, this is a job of criminal lawyers, it's what they do and in doing so they are fulfilling their duties. It's like asking why doctors save lives of murderers and rapists. Because it's their job and duty - and later they can face a fair trial which won't be subject to legal challenges.

V well said.

It’s disturbing that these distressing cases always bring out a lynch mob, pitch fork tendency so quickly.

PurplePansy05 · 06/06/2020 08:32

@BlueTreeBlue Thank you for explaining. Such awful cases, my heart breaks for Valentina too. I think Joana's case was presented very differently in the Netflix documentary. Poor girls.

SouthWestmom · 06/06/2020 08:46

What strikes me is that so many children go missing without all the fanfare of the McCann case or the money raised to help with finding them. They aren’t brought to public attention . It’s a crime in itself that these children’s lives don’t matter just as much.

This came up on the last thread as well.
Are there any similar UK missing child cases you want to flag? Aside from Katrice Lee and Ben Needham?

The majority on Missing Child UK are much older teenagers or probable family abductions

icansmellburningleaves · 06/06/2020 08:49

@Jourdain11

I don't want to derail the thread again, but I was thinking a little more about what some posters have been saying about leaving the children by themselves, and it occurred to me that it is really hard to judge without actually knowing the environment, the distances, etc. involved.

I can't comment on British customs then, but in the 90s, my parents and my siblings and I would go to a holiday cottage in Brittany for a few weeks - it was in a block of similar cottages with a communal outside area and every evening we would gather there to have our evening meal and the kids would then play in the surroundings until it got dark or so. At that point we'd be packed off to bed and the adults would stay outside socialising.

It seems a similar situation - maybe slightly older children in general, maybe different because we did know exactly where our parents were if we needed them and only had to come downstairs to the courtyard area. But it's hard to say that the Ocean Club wasn't maybe similar without having been there.

There were also British families who stayed at the cottages but I don't remember if they did the same. I only remember that we used to play with the English kids a lot and it involved a lot of sign language! I used to ask them questions in French and then say "yes? no?" And they would say "yes" and we would carry on 😂

I would like to go back there with my own kids now and see if it is still the same. But I do think there's a big difference between the freedom I had growing up (in the 90s/early 00s) and the freedom my kids have today. It may be partly location (London) though. At my DCs primary they are not allowed to walk themselves to school until Y5 but I'm sure that I walked myself to school far younger than that, albeit usually in a group with other children.

I just think it is tricky, because things do/have change/d, but it is hard to know how much and whether your memory is playing games with you.

I remember her going missing very well. My own child was a similar age. It was not an era where you would leave three tiny children in an unlocked apartment whilst you went for a meal a few hundred yards ago regardless of where you were. If they had done that in the uk they would have been arrested for neglect.
Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 06/06/2020 08:52

I don’t want to derail the thread but what angers me - well it all does -but that this evil scumbag could jump around Europe the way he did after absconding from criminal charges. We see this all too often in crimes. If you want open borders then you need a joined up policing system.

For years it was said the scumbag paedos fled to Portugal and particularly the Algarve as proper records weren’t kept on those on sexual offender registers in their home countries

BeyondDreamsOfBeyondFourWalls · 06/06/2020 08:57

@Noeuf

What strikes me is that so many children go missing without all the fanfare of the McCann case or the money raised to help with finding them. They aren’t brought to public attention . It’s a crime in itself that these children’s lives don’t matter just as much.

This came up on the last thread as well.
Are there any similar UK missing child cases you want to flag? Aside from Katrice Lee and Ben Needham?

The majority on Missing Child UK are much older teenagers or probable family abductions

Noeuf, I assumed PP meant in Europe - as in we hadn't heard of the boy in Portugal or the girl in Germany - rather than other UK cases?
LivinLaVidaLoki · 06/06/2020 08:59

Just catching up on all this.
I always think of poor Lindy Chamberlain when I see Kate McCann. Hung by the public because she didnt cry enough or look sad enough. To think she would still be in jail for a crime she didnt commit if not for the fluke of finding her daughters matinee coat.
I really hope they get some kind of closure from this. It does feel like the most promising lead so far.

SophieB100 · 06/06/2020 09:03

What I don't understand is that the British Police are saying they are treating it as a missing person case, because there is no evidence that says Maddie is dead, whereas the German police came out and said they are certain she is.
What do you make of this?
I don't understand how the German police are so certain.

Caelano · 06/06/2020 09:03

I still don’t get why a link is being made with the boy who went missing on the beach years earlier. He ran ahead from his family while walking there and they found his clothes on the beach. What abductor/ murderer would leave the child’s clothes on the beach? Tragic but it seems obvious he ran into the sea and drowned