Madeleine McCann- new suspect thread 2

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Hi all! Not sure whether this has already been brought up, but apparently Michael Ney was also in the area of Praia da Luz at the time Maddie vanished, and he was friends(!) with the current suspect.

Martin Ney, if you don't know, is a man who slipped into youth camps and broke into homes, dressed in black. He has been convicted of three murders of boys. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Ney). Ney provided info to a fellow inmate amout the McCann case that only an 'insider' could know.

Who knows, maybe he even helped the current suspect to get what he wanted.

(Also: I'm starting to think this spot at the Algarve is some secret paedo- hot spot. I mean, this Freud-descendant also lived there... )

sorry for jumping in I have followed this forever! One thing that is baffling is Joana Ciprianos mother made a statement of a brown and white campervan with a lone male living in it around at the time, and a formal looking large dark car with German plates. I don’t understand why they are not now linking the 2 cases. Amaral chose instead to beat the mother into confessing but her mother has always maintained her innocence.

I’ve also read CB had lots of cash on returning to Germany because he was selling expensive stolen stolen watches, cameras, laptops and cannabis.

As I said on the previous thread I assume the German the police has some good (but inadmissable) evidence e.g. recordings of him speaking to a cell mate in which he reveals something about the Maddie case that isn't in the public domain (e.g. I broke in to the apartment, she woke up I hit her to keep her quiet, she fell hit her head and was unconscious so I wrapped her in the rug and carried her to my car - fact unknown to the public there was a rug missing.) There would be enough in that to make them believe he is responsible but no evidence to charge on. In that scenario perhaps he went on to say X person helped hide the body but there wasn't enough detail to identify who X is so the police need X to come forward.

My eldest is 6 weeks younger than Madeleine. 6 months before she went missing my oldest and best mate got married. Booked out an entire country hall and all the bedrooms for main wedding party guests. I was a bridesmaid and dd then 2 was a flower girl. Even in a much more tied down situation, we took it in turns to sit in the room with her rather than leave her. To be honest it was more to do with if she woke up and needed us, rather than fear of abduction. They took a massive risk. The other families noted that kids had been awake at times when they went to check on more than one occasion.

However, I think Kate is haunted by what has happened and has probably been unwell as a result.

I hope this is the correct person and they get a final answer.

@Caelano yes, Jill Dando murder & Colin Stagg re: Rachel Nickell spring to mind.

Re: Rachel, everyone wanted to find the murderer & Colin seemed to fit the bill, ‘it must be him’, it wasn’t...

I think the police are right to look at the case of the young German boy René again. Experts felt it unlikely the tide would have carried him away at that time. And how could a child drown and disappear in such a short time frame? The paedophile CB was at that time around 18, also German and you can imagine how easy it could have been to lure an excited wee boy away with the promise of ice cream or saying he knew a good place to swim etc, speaking German and being young he would have seemed less scary I imagine. How unbearable for all these families now waiting to see if they finally get the truth about what happened to their beautiful innocent children

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Your medal is on its way.

Any comment on the suspect and linked cases?

Caelano I found your post really thought provoking. If I am honest and examine my own reactions to the news I am embarrassed to say I have been guilty of judging him based on media reports.

I now more clearly understand that that is wrong and that a fair investigation needs to be done to ensure justice, not just for him but most importantly to make sure the families get the information they need and to make sure whoever really did do any of these horrendous crimes is locked up safely.

An awful situation for all who are involved. I hope they all get the strength and information they need to do what needs to be done as quickly as possible. [puts pitch fork away and attempts critical thinking]

There are lots of reasons for countries to have slightly different, and in some cases vcery different, definitions of crimes.

The UK tends to assume missing rather than dead, maybe Germany automatically changes to 'dead' after a number of years.

In the UK a death may be considered misadventure but in another country be classed as a suicide.

Sky News are reporting that German police alerted German prosecutors - Germany's Federal Criminal Office, about this man in 2013 but it was not acted upon.

WTF!!!
How many others have been harmed in the meantime.

Sky News are reporting that German police alerted German prosecutors - Germany's Federal Criminal Office, about this man in 2013 but it was not acted upon.

After reading about the suspect, I don't believe he should be allowed to be free, he sounds a massive public risk, and I can't believe after so many convictions he's still allowed to travel between countries like he had been.

@IHateCoronavirus I can see where you are coming from, I think there is a lot of “excitement” - excitement is the wrong word - because for the first time, there seems to be something more detailed than we have seen before. It feels like we could be quite close to knowing what happened. We can only hope that this is all based on more concrete evidence like people have mentioned before, DNA at this stage would be very difficult but we know this individual has form for filming one of his previous attacks; it could be any insider knowledge that only police is aware of. If it is him I hope they have sufficient evidence to proceed, if it is not him, then I hope they don’t try to attribute this crime to him for his own sake and also to get real justice for poor MM and her family.

@ihatecoronavirus thank you.

I can understand why a high profile case like this provokes these extreme responses But it doesn’t mean they are acceptable.

IMO the two extremes, despite being at opposite ends of the spectrum, are actually triggered by the same thing: underlying fear.

Some people are obsessed with blaming the McCanns for leaving their children, they can’t Get beyond that and aren’t interested in whether someone gets convicted. These people are fearful of anything bad happening to their own children and this seems to be their way of thinking they can protect them from any kind of harm

At the other end of the spectrum are those with their pitchforks out and baying for blood the moment this guy’s face was on the news. They’ve made their minds up, he’s a known vile sicko so let’s just bang him up anyway, let him burn in hell etc etc These people are so fearful that bad stuff happens in the world that if somehow reassured them by ranting on a forum that it ‘must be him’

Like I say, I totally get that a high profile case makes feelings run high. But for the sake of the real victim here, MM, I truly hope the police do a good enough job to get to the truth. It is no justice for MM if they don’t. Better to never solve what happened than to convict the wrong person just to make people feel better.

Well said BlueTreeBlue

@Arewedone Amaral was not present when the mother was beaten. He did however get a suspended sentence for perjury 2 years after MM went missing and he'd been thrown off the case.

I don't know if he was a good policeman or not but it's only fair to stick to the facts.

Surely the reason the German police believe Bruckner killed her is because he filmed it. A horrific thought, but what other reason could there be? Even finding a body wouldn't be conclusive proof.

Mittens I don't think that's the only reason at all. He could have said a lot more in a chat room/to this friend/another tip gives information. If they had found video footage attributed to him i don't think they would be stalling on charging him.

Caelano I agree completely about the fear. As a mother I look children and feel such intense fear and sadness that something so terrible could be done to them that it is almost as if anyone who ‘could’ is beyond my understanding. It is a kind of prejudice and it is wrong. I get that now. I also see how such thinking could stop real justice being done. I’m going to work on my own mindset. Thank you for helping me to see that.

It was not an era where you would leave three tiny children in an unlocked apartment whilst you went for a meal a few hundred yards ago regardless of where you were. If they had done that in the uk they would have been arrested for neglect.

Do you have expertise in this area icansmellburningleaves, perhaps criminal law, policing or social work? When I did care law, the firm had a couple of cases where the parents had left small children unattended and there was no prosecution, but perhaps you have more experience in the field than I do.

Mittens if his DNA is on the body it would be.

In these utterly heinous cases my thoughts always go to the police who have to view these videos. How they can live a normal life after doing that job is beyond me, it's so awful.

At the end of the day, IF IT IS HIM He assaulted a child when he was 17. If he were put in jail for life after that first incident. Then the 70 year old woman he raped wouldn’t off had her life destroyed, and possibly this poor little girl wouldn’t have been taken from her bed. Pedophiles need to go away for life!

Here is the link for the Sky article mentioned above.

news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-german-police-investigating-suspect-over-third-missing-child-12001457

I have just read the wiki entry for the Joana Ciprianis murder. It is terrifying. The mother has not long been out of jail. There is a link to a picture of the injuries she suffered from the beating from police. They said she threw herself down stairs.

There seems to have been a diabolical injustice there. Unspeakable. I had no idea about that whole affair, so i am grateful to this trhead for bringing it to my attention.

I hope with all my heart that the MccAnns find out what hapopens so they at least can have something like closure on that. I wish them the best as what they have been through is unimaginable.