Anti Dementors, Assemble!

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I think I finished the last thread by accident...

@bigbananafeet12 it was a real life teacher who gave me the patronising kicking detailed above about how this six weeks was just the start... she's not going back as it's dangerous.

Cattermole Thank you. You too and everyone else I hope. for those who are struggling.

Apparently, your risk of dying of C19 is greater than the one you take driving or riding in a car. Yeah, sure it is. Think it's something like 1 in 240 over your lifetime in the UK (that's dying in RTC).

@SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito excellent post, and a lot of that - like stopping the CPD bullshit - is stuff that would be really feasible and easy to implement. (Unlike spraying children with disinfectant!)

I don't think it's a case of teachers just not wanting to work - at my school they asked if anyone would mind coming in unpaid over Easter to look after key workers' children and got three times the number of volunteers they needed. As someone said (can't remember if it was on this thread or elsewhere) the 'back to school' feeling at the end of the normal summer holiday is already a huge weight of dread, and when you combine that with social media hysteria about how we're all going to die the minute we come within half a mile of a five year old, plus completely impractical suggestions from people who don't have the first clue what schools are like, it's no wonder everyone's stressed as hell. I wonder how much of that would be relieved by assurances that all the performance management crap would be forgotten for now, and behaviour issues dealt with effectively, rather than anything to do with the virus itself.

It would be helpful if the unions could also come up with practical suggestions like this though, rather than a blanket 'nope not possible'. We might actually get somewhere in that case!

@bigbananafeet12 I know several and sadly they're all screaming about needing ppe but struggling to clarify exactly what ppe since we know gloves cant be worn all day without them just being a means to spread germs and masks are more to protect everyone else than the wearer.

Maybe those big plastic face shields & goggles?

GroEggAndHam that sounds lovely! I'd actually forgotten it was National Sit in the Park Murdering People Day today. I might go out later and sit on a bench for a bit to celebrate.

@bigbananafeet12
BIL is a teacher and has been working from home as diabetic and asthmatic. He's definitely sensible and will be cracking on when the time comes.

DH's cousin is early years teacher and has only posted one thing on faceache, stressing the point that these are novel times and that the children's emotional and mental wellbeing comes first.

MIL is retired early years - will be FaceTiming her later but she's VERY non-dementor

I'm finding the teachers saying they can't work with small children because it's dangerous absolutely hilarious given I am sitting in my Nhs office next to a Nhs ward with covid to the right, left and everywhere. Actual proper covid in old people not fantasy unicorn covid in small kids.

Please could they all get a collective grip?

Was just chatting to one of the teachers from school - they're just trying to figure out how the hell they can run it all, not screaming for PPE and despairing of the unions! There is hope out there - just not on the internet!

bigbanafeet12 all the real life teachers I'm facebook friends with are keeping quiet about their opinions on re-opening schools. Given that most of them are usually very vocal about criticising anything the Tories do, I'm wondering if this is a sign that they're tacitly in favour? Then again, maybe they just feel it's unprofessional to post work-related things on social media.

The ones I'm actually friends friends with are fairly neutral and just waiting to see how things progress. They might grumble a bit in private about the situation being handled badly, but they wouldn't kick up a fuss about going back, and several are worried about their exam classes.

bigbananafeet12, sorry

Nightingale level plans for schools.

Yes! I would get behind this in a heartbeat, and it seems like it’s a really good moment for the unions to push for this kind of reform too. (And maybe some of it could be permanent...)

I don’t want teachers to die and I don’t want them to feel unsafe at work, let alone be unsafe at work. But it feels like a lot of blanket “NO (until the virus has all gone away)” right now and that’s not going to help any of us. I read the NEU’s five conditions but they don’t seem massively useful - saying “appropriate PPE to be agreed on a school by school level” is not how PPE works and I’m unclear on what they’re even asking for (aprons and gloves? surely fine; ITU-level outfits? no). Much lower levels of virus among population - okay what do you want that to fall to? And what when the government says “well it’s 10% of what it was when lockdown started so there you go”?

I've just been reading this:

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52644816

which makes a refreshing change from hearing that all countries are SHUT forever and future holidays will have to be taken on the roundabout at the end of the by-pass.

The response they clearly imagine is an unanswerable argument winner seem to be making now when it is pointed out to school staff that health and social care workers, food chain workers, delivery workers etc are all out here working so why are they unable to also do so is "they all have PPE!"

I get PPE (a disposable mask and disposable gloves) if I go into one of the areas of my workplace where a patient is known to be (or is awaiting test results so treated as being) covid positive. I am not wearing PPE the rest of the time. If it's all about PPE equivalent to that used by those of us currently working, their concerns are very easy to resolve, but they might be disappointed by what it actually entails...

So why are they not worried about the key worker children then? i don't understand. Surely those children would be more exposed due to the nature of their parents jobs

That BBC article is a hopeful sign.

I'm still not sure about my Welsh holiday for the first 2 weeks of the summer holidays, but if XH will take ds2 away in his half of the holidays(last 3 weeks) then I'd be happy to cancel Wales and go away with a friend in term time, if Europe is open for business.

No takers for my thread about positive recovery stories...

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3907855-Oldest-person-recovers-and-other-positive-recovery-stories

Not negative enough I suppose!

They think I work for the government now
That positivity thread about sending little kids back to school is one of the more obvious ones, it is really pissing me off actually
I've obviously managed to seriously rile a few of them

Found this quite useful on risk at different ages, worth a read

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52543692

@Orangeblossom78 they probably think you're my colleague.

yes, I think PPE has attained the status of a Magical Cloak of Invulnerability for some. No, it’s specific equipment! PPE when I did personal care was disposable apron + disposable gloves, and that included working with MRSA-diagnosed patients (not that MRSA is as scary as many imagine but I’m still more worried about that than covid.)

That said, if apron and gloves would make staff feel that much better then fine let them wear it rather than teach backed against the wall in a constant state of fear - as long as they’re happy to follow appropriate guidelines in removing it and disposing of it safely. But no we should not be handing out respirator masks for teaching healthy 12-year-olds.

This is to a tee my colleagues who are nurses

Orangeblossom
I'll post something! Obviously though you've made the cardinal errors of 1.being reasonable, 2.not being offensive, 3.not telling people that 110% of everyone, but especially children, puppies, kittens and rosy cheeked grannies died yesterday and 4.that the buggers didn't even have their own body bags with them so now a teacher is having to do overtime to dig the mass graves.

@Iwalkinmyclothing That's superb! Have shared it to my colleagues

This one also made me smile today. Best looking garden centre I've ever seen.