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Dave on the Brit Awards

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buttonmoonb4tea · 18/02/2020 20:56

I just did a standing ovation. Powerful message!

That's it really!

Did anyone else see it?

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CallofDoodee · 19/02/2020 08:48

I get the feeling that certain posters on this thread would claim that they 'don't see colour' either.

boredbored · 19/02/2020 08:50

True dat!

Canshopwillshop · 19/02/2020 08:55

I hate grime but he was amazing!

Katjolo · 19/02/2020 09:03

A true poet. I was captivated.

exLtEveDallas · 19/02/2020 09:10

I watched because I knew Stormzy would be on and I’d hoped he’d perform Crown and Vossi Bop. I had no idea who Dave was (I’m so old!) and automatically reached for my phone when he started...about 5 seconds later I was entranced. In the end I actually preferred his performance to Stormzy’s. A very powerful song and beautifully performed.

Chocolatedaim · 19/02/2020 09:10

I think he is absolutely incredible. Such an inspiration for young males (especially black males)
He is eloquent, thoughtful, talented, and exceptionally intelligent.

Did you see the fab clip of him bringing on a fan at Glastonbury last year? Search for it on YouTube it’s amazing.

It’s not my favourite style of music at all, but I will happily listen to Dave for hours.
I also love that his mom is always in the audience, she is proud as punch 💜

Moonmelodies · 19/02/2020 09:11

You'd think people on telly would refrain from calling people names, now we're all supposed to 'be kind'.

xsquared · 19/02/2020 09:34

Being kind doesn't mean keeping quiet about someone who is obviously racist though. Standing up to injustice is very much a part of being kind too.

It's not usually my thing but I thought Dave gave a powerful performance about uncomfortable truths.

GEEpEe · 19/02/2020 09:46

"I think saying youth violence is not linked to race is disingenuous. Yes it's linked to poverty, but you can't deny the levels of black boys who are victims/perpetrators of youth violence."

That's because BAME people are disproportionately at risk of poverty and further than that, the perils of poverty. There is nothing about being black that makes them more likely to be violent or be a victim of violence. WATCH THE VIDEO!!!!

"I say that as a mother of a black boy. I'm actually scared for him because I know the obstacles he has to face 😞"

Do you feel as if your son is more likely to be violent than if he were your son but white? If not, why not?

It's likely because you feel he has security and therefore the prospects that most of the victims and perpetrators of serious youth violence do not have. If all boys had what your son has, the rates of serious youth violence would be much lower. Those things that make your son have said prospects and security are what statistics show are common factors absent in the lives of violent youth offenders.

"Knife crime is a problem amongst young black men in London actually. Black men are the perpetrators and victims of knife crime at a much higher rate than the population of black people in London."

Yes that's because more black people have those trifactor of social obstacles in London. You know, funnily enough, I've heard the parents of white urban youth victims are sometimes put out that their story didn't make it in the media as part of the wider narrative due to their race confusing the situation.

"The same is not true across the rest of the UK."

Exactly, in other areas with similar social issues of poverty, there is also rampant serious youth violence where the perpetrators and victims are broadly white. These share the same factors of being in care, low educational attainment and domestic abuse in the family home(s). That's That's how we know race has nothing to do with why this is happening or why the people in London and other major cities are mostly black. I mean, when Glasgow was knife crime capital of Europe or the Universe or whatever, we didn't say that white people have a violence issue, did we?

I don't think its racist to state that fact. There are many reasons why it is the case."

It really only boils down to one. Racism. That's why BAME people are disproportionately poor in the first place. The rest just follows.

"Are young black males in my life far more likely to be a victim of knife crime for going into the wrong estate, even if they are not affiliated with a gang?"

No, if I, a White British male grew up in an area with conflicting gang territories and affiliations and I wandered into the "wrong postcode", I, too, would be at risk of a violent attack.

"The Roadz ain't got no colour, Fam"

I'm so gonna audition for the next Top Boy.

GEEpEe · 19/02/2020 09:55

Here's the video again. Do watch. Dave would likely want you to.

CallofDoodee · 19/02/2020 10:08

That's because BAME people are disproportionately at risk of poverty and further than that, the perils of poverty. There is nothing about being black that makes them more likely to be violent or be a victim of violence.

She never said there was? Confused

FET2020 · 19/02/2020 10:10

What he’s saying is correct but I’m a bit sick of being preached at by celebs to be honest.

GEEpEe · 19/02/2020 10:37

He's hardly a celeb...

GEEpEe · 19/02/2020 10:40

@CallofDoodee

Several posters have pointed out the disproportionate number of black perpetrators and victims and singled out their race as the factor that determines their risk of experiencing violent crime rather than the other factors that are actually true of most youth offenders.

It would be like me going into a predominately white area, taking away water from some of the residents and then declaring white people more likely to drink from puddles than any other race.

HaudMaDug · 19/02/2020 10:50

Future Poet Laureate. Not usually my cup of tea but I was transfixed to the TV till the end of his set. Very powerful and important message concisely delivered and noted as News at 10 confirmed afterwards. Made Stormzy's set seem a bit tame in comparison. Nowt wrong with Stormzy's set though, just that Dave was better.

CallofDoodee · 19/02/2020 10:52

Several posters have pointed out the disproportionate number of black perpetrators and victims and singled out their race as the factor that determines their risk of experiencing violent crime rather than the other factors that are actually true of most youth offenders.

Saying that 'in London black men are disproportionately the victims and perpetrators of knife crime' is not the same as saying 'black men are more likely to be violent' or whatever it is you think people are saying.

Surely as 'a very middle classed white boy, Oxbridge educated to boot' you understand this simple distinction?

Of course there are multiple factors, racism being one of them. That's what people have been saying isn't it?

CallofDoodee · 19/02/2020 10:56

Of course there are multiple factors, racism being one of them. That's what people have been saying isn't it?

Actually I correct myself here, it all stems from racism ultimately.

But that doesn't mean you are not allowed to recognise the problem?

BearSoFair · 19/02/2020 11:03

I thought he was amazing. Absolutely not my usual style of music at all, but he gave me goosebumps. Very powerful performance.

Popper56 · 19/02/2020 11:14

Re why Dave's brother features on his album is quite important. Psycodrama - the album that won him the Mercury prize is set out like a therapy session, in it, through the songs, he talks very candidly about the impact of both his older brother's prison convictions had on him and his family. He talks about his struggles with mental health, how growing up as a black boy in an inner city town made him determined not to follow the gang culture his brothers had been caught up in. Its a work of art and he, as an artist quite rightly deserves every award and praise he gets.

GEEpEe · 19/02/2020 11:16

@CallofDoodee

There are other factors that would give a more comprehensive generalisation of the perps and victims.. so why would you choose race?

Popper56 · 19/02/2020 11:16

aagh Psychodrama! bloody phone

derxa · 19/02/2020 11:20

'Boris Johnson is racist' What will happen next? Should he be taken off in tumbril and sent to the guillotine?

june2007 · 19/02/2020 11:51

He def is a celeb. I don,t buy into the thing that Megan was treated differently because of her race. Perhaps it,s because she was already in the Media, perhaps it was because she had a dysfunctional family? But no it has to be race?

MurrayTheMonk · 19/02/2020 11:55

I thought he was phenomenal

GEEpEe · 19/02/2020 11:55

Dave is a celeb. Akala not so much.

If you believe Megan would have been treated that way had she been white, you're living in a bubble.

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