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Group hug thread for those devastated by election results

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KizzyWayfarer · 13/12/2019 00:02

Just a quiet place to sit. If you want to gloat or opinionate about Corbyn please go over to AIBU.

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HeIenaDove · 17/12/2019 01:06

Is he still planning to push something through by Friday?

raskolnikova · 17/12/2019 01:08

I also suspect it is the preferred option for many.

I just don't get it. Unless they're all hedge fund managers, what's in it for these people?? I almost envy them, it must be nice not to be terrified of Brexit.

minesagin37 · 17/12/2019 03:07

I voted Labour. My Labour mp was elected. I did my bit. Our family will be ok but many families won't be ok. I'm afraid I have very little tolerance for anyone who voted for the woman beating clown who is called PM. I have to divert my attention to limiting the damage on my teenagers now. The older one is angry at the idiocy of those that voted Tory and I can't say I blame her. I hope they get what they deserve!

jewel1968 · 17/12/2019 10:44

I know a few people who voted to leave and I think voted Tory this election (although traditional Labour) to get Brexit done. I think they feel it needs to be done and if we can't get a deal then stop faffing about and get out. An impatience I guess. One of them knows very well how difficult it will be but thinks the pain is worth it for the gain they see further down the road.

One has no clue and is likely to be more impacted personally as he has a partner from the EU. He was motivated by refugees coming in to UK from middle East. Not sure how he sees the EU in that but there you go.

I do try to understand what motivated people to vote leave and in my mini research there are various unconnected reasons. I realise I know quite a few leave voters or know of them. Another voted leave but no idea why and just thought about mixing it up to see what happens. I know a couple of Lexit voters too who are very Labour but I suspect may not have voted Labour this time. I could be wrong and will ask as soon as is reasonable.

My suspicion is during the IP people won't see any difference and so will feel justified in their stance. Then we either leave with a deal which might be ok and most people won't see any difference so again justified. Or we leave without a deal and then people will start to notice things but depending on their circumstances might not. If they are comfortably off they might notice stuff but will be able to withstand it. If they are struggling and on min wage (if they don't lose their job) they will notice price increases but might not associate with leaving. When they see their hosp with too few nurses they might not associate it with Brexit. And the media will deflect people. Sorry am rambling....

SecondaryBurnzzz · 17/12/2019 17:48

I have had to completely disengage from everything now, it's all too awful. Already BoJo is rowing back on his election promises, and I just can't watch anymore. While we had a hung parliament I felt we had hope that something might happen to change things and that I could actually 'do' something to affect change. Now I feel completely powerless.

Layladylay234 · 17/12/2019 19:40

Thanks to whoever started this. I'm sitting here at 16 weeks pregnant crying tears of frustration and anger that this has happened. I'm so scared for my children's future and what makes it harder is that my mum and sister, who have been stalwarts and pillars of support in my life, voted Tory. I discussed emigration yesterday with my partner as I genuinely don't think things are going to get any better for at least 10 years and, having a ten year old already, I don't want my new child to be raised in a country where most people think its OK to place such an odious man and his cronies in a position in power.

I'm so angry and I feel if anything, my anger is growing by the day. Does anyone have any silver linings to this situation?

everythingisginandroses · 17/12/2019 20:22

Um... I think a fair number of people will be (re)joining the Labour Party and looking to do concrete things to help foodbanks and other charities in their local areas. Shelter, the Trussell Trust and Refuge have reported spikes in donations over this last weekend.

The Union will likely break up, which as a Scot living in England I have never wanted, but an independent Scotland may provide somewhere else with a better political culture to move to in the longer run.

Erm, that's all I can come up with right now.

highlandcoo · 17/12/2019 20:49

everything would you move back?

I'm also Scottish, living in England. Psychologically and emotionally I'd love to be back in Scotland now but for practical reasons I don't think it will happen.

England is overwhelmingly Tory now, so that if Scotland becomes independent and none of these seats count in Westminster, I don't think there's a way of getting back to a left-wing government in England in the foreseeable future Sad

RaiseaGlasstoFreedom · 17/12/2019 21:40

Growing up my dad was stalwart Liverpool red, very educated intellectual man but strangely would never consider voting for any other party. However he never shoved this down our throats. Above all else he drummed it into us to think for ourselves and do our own research.

Yes he would talk about thatcher thatcher the milk snatcher.. But ours was an intellectually open house. If I said I am tory he wouldn't have made me feel bad or evil. Or be '' dissapointed '' in me.

As it happens I've voted for Labour more than tory, and I definalty voted Tory this time round.

My dm was a swing voter, her family like df were poor from Liverpool area and inspite of large Catholic family, her parents worked and got some of them to private schools!! Grammar school schools and lifted them up.

What has happened that people are crying that thier parents voted differently?

Don't you believe in democracy? Do you think on the strength of their vote they are really bad people??!

What, among so many things put me off religion is that, after some very hard knocks on life, the people who showed the most generosity, kindness etc were not religious and yet religious people wear it like some special badge of moral superiority (some of them... Seriously praying to their god).

This is what Labour has become for some people.. They talk about their values!!

And yet kind decent people come from all walks of life.
I'd think I seriously failed as a parent if dc felt they had to vote to please me, to vote a particular way to prove they are '' nice '' people.. If they attacked me for my vote, if they were not happy and proud to tell me who they voted for... Be it anyone I disagreed with..

everythingisginandroses · 17/12/2019 21:49

Oh, highlandcoo, I would never have considered it until recently. I've been down here over half my life and I really feel like England is home, I love it, but now and then I just feel so disheartened by the servility, the complacency, the way it's anathema to take anything seriously, how people are so fucking good-natured all the time: it's like some of the best things about the English also hold them back Sad. I deal with really disadvantaged, vulnerable people at work every day and there is no prospect of their situation improving.

I have started thinking about Glasgow, but I am really wary of DH and DS being marked out as English incomers and in practical terms I would like DS to finish his education first and then have a choice of where he lives.

highlandcoo · 18/12/2019 00:42

everything that's interesting. I've also been here for half my life, so have many good English friends, have worked here and been very involved with the community in lots of ways. And although the kids know and feel that they're Scottish, they speak with English accents and their life is now here.

It did feel like home for ages, but less so recently Sad and I wonder, if Scotland goes for independence, whether people's welcoming attitude might change in a few cases ..

I love Glasgow, however, to be honest, I think if you do go back, Edinburgh might be a better fit for your husband and son. Some folk from Glasgow may have a different opinion I know.

Depressing times. I feel sad about it all.

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 18/12/2019 07:53

I think thats spot on jewel1968

HeIenaDove · 18/12/2019 20:38

www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2019-12-18/how-a-doctor-who-has-never-seen-you-can-say-youre-fit-enough-to-sleep-on-the-streets

How a doctor who has never seen you can say you're fit enough to sleep on the streets
Over 100 councils have paid a private company to assess vulnerable people applying for help with homelessness

highlandcoo · 18/12/2019 20:47

That is truly shocking Helena. These councils are clearly just trying to deny that real problems exist. It's dreadful Angry Sad

HeIenaDove · 18/12/2019 23:18

www.24housing.co.uk/news/hancock-hints-at-closer-integration-of-the-housing-and-health/

Hancock hints at closer integration of housing and health
Health Secretary tells Policy Exchange: “We must hardwire good health into housing.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock has hinted at a closer integration of the housing and health agendas planned by the ‘People’s Government’.

Hancock told the Policy Exchange: “We must hardwire good health into housing, transport, education, welfare, and the economy because we all know preventing ill health – mental and physical – is about more than just healthcare.”

The NHS long-term plan published early this year pitches place-based population health and investment in community-based solutions at a preventative level.

That was taken as pushing beyond provision of supported housing, and into how housing associations can leverage their social investment activity toward resident health and wellbeing.

Key issues for combining housing and health include:

Expansion of integrated care develop over the next five years
Development of population health at the level of place
Housing’s place in an integrated care system
Greater collaboration to address homelessness
Aligning investment across neighbourhoods to deliver health benefits for residents
Using place-based responses to improve experience of older age
Writing for 24housing, HACT chief executive Andrew Van Doorn said the role of housing in place-based population health will be “crucial” to the future success of the NHS.

Van Doorn referenced the role of housing in Primary Care Networks and Integrated Care Networks as “very important”, with housing associations as anchor institutions having the assets and resources to make a difference not only to residents’ lives, but to their local communities

The long-term plan recognised that to address the needs of the population now and in the future there needs to be investment in community-based solutions at a preventative level, as well as in redesigning healthcare services to bring together new delivery partners,” he said.

Some housing providers are name-checked as delivering “exceptional” health services, with Nottingham City Homes seen as a trailblazer with its Housing to Health service, estimated as saving the public purse over £2.1m last year.

Radian and Polar HARCA are pioneering social prescribing services in their local areas.

The GLA recognises the role that housing associations can play in delivering social prescribing services in the capital.

HACT, itself, is also working with numerous housing and health providers toward an integrated approach"

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