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Group hug thread for those devastated by election results

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KizzyWayfarer · 13/12/2019 00:02

Just a quiet place to sit. If you want to gloat or opinionate about Corbyn please go over to AIBU.

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breadfan1 · 13/12/2019 13:22

This was a defining characteristic of this election for me. Anti-Conservatives and anti-brexiteers saturating social media and believing what the echo chamber returned to their ears and eyes. Together with abusive shaming of anyone that might have a different view that they were racists or child killers it is hardly surprising when you don’t see or understand how many people feel totally different.

countdowntochristmas · 13/12/2019 13:26

I'm sad but I like to look in the positive that they will elect a much better and likeable leader .
But yeah I'm worried for my children's future especially as I have a disabled teenager and a child about to leave uni .Sad

TheBlueStocking · 13/12/2019 13:29

I love Jeremy Corbyn. As do many, many people. He's got his own chant! Boris Johnson would never get his own chant.

Ck25 · 13/12/2019 13:38

I could not agree more I thought labour had a good chance but obviously not. Its a question of what will happen next🤔

spiderlight · 13/12/2019 13:38

Devastated. I felt physically ill this morning when I saw the results. My 12-year-old was in tears.

SlowAndWild · 13/12/2019 13:43

Great.....is that the best thing about him? Labour has lost touch with ordinary people. Not everyone is a London luvvie

colouringinpro · 13/12/2019 13:46

I don't know what to do with the rest of today. My ds is off school today with long term health prob that CAMHS/NHS are failing us with. House is a mess and kitchen currently out of action. ASD dd wants to go out with friend after school but I don't think I can juggle it in so she'll be in a foul mood. ds on screen all day. I'm exhausted and Sad

HeIenaDove · 13/12/2019 13:48

Kensington Labour MP Emma Dent Coad has lost her seat . She went above and beyond for those affected by Grenfell

TheBlueStocking · 13/12/2019 13:53

@SlowAndWild

Still struggling to comprehend the point of this thread, are you? Scroll up and read the message from MN.

HeIenaDove · 13/12/2019 13:56

tribunemag.co.uk/2019/11/debunking-the-grenfell-lies

Debunking the Grenfell Lies
By
Emma Dent Coad
This week Liberal Democrat Sam Gyimah claimed that Labour MP Emma Dent Coad was partly responsible for the Grenfell tragedy - here, she debunks his allegation and calls on him to apologise for the smear.

wo days after the Grenfell Tower fire an article appeared in London’s Evening Standard in which the former Conservative MP for Kensington accused me of ‘collective responsibility’ for the fire. This was exactly a week after I had won the Kensington constituency, overturning a Tory majority of 7,000 by just 20 votes.

I witnessed the fire, at the end of my road, in which several friends had been able to escape – and others had not. Some of them had been active in the residents’ group which had predicted the fire in November 2016, and then for their trouble had been sent a cease and desist letter from the Council for “scaremongering.”

The fire was utterly shocking and unbearably sad. The accusation levelled against me was inexcusable. I had countless death threats and had to ask the police for protection. My house was under police surveillance. I have asked three times for the former Tory MP Victoria Borwick to apologise and admit she had spoken in error. To date, she has refused

After Jacob Rees-Mogg’s appalling comments at the start of this election that the victims of the fire lacked ‘common sense,’ I didn’t think it could get worse. But I was wrong. Grenfell has become a political football. In recent days the Liberal Democrat candidate Sam Gyimah has repeated the accusation that I was somehow involved, but embellished it by saying that I “was part of all the discussions that went on in terms of the cladding.”

This is quite simply a lie. Where Gyimah got his information from I have no idea, but when misinformation brings death threats, and the perpetrator refuses to correct the error or apologise, and others don’t bother to verify and repeat it, the lie spreads like a virus.

So, here are some checkable facts which I hope will end this libel. I joined the Board of the Tenant Management Organisation (TMO) in June 2008 and left in October 2012. (Here is a link to the Board of Directors, also showing which Councillors were on it and when. Council Leader Cllr. Elizabeth Campbell was on the Board at the same time as me.

During my tenure there had been numerous complaints from residents about the condition of Grenfell Tower: broken lifts, draughty windows, poor insulation, and the heating and hot water system regularly breaking down.

In October 2012 (around the time I left the TMO) the then-Cabinet member Cllr. Tim Coleridge announced that a major refurbishment would be undertaken. Residents were pleased. At the time, the proposed contractor was with Leadbitter. The scope of the work was agreed at the time, but the detail was to come.

In April 2013 responsibility for the project was handed over to the new Cabinet member, Cllr. Rock Feilding-Mellen. It was not until January 2014 that the planning application was agreed (search for Grenfell Tower at this link)
n April 2014 it was announced by the Council and TMO that, due to costs, the contract had been awarded to Rydon rather than Leadbitter, who had scoped the work. Note that this was after the planning application was granted approval.

Throughout the summer amendments were made and detailed specifications decided. Cladding materials were proposed on 1 July, 2014. There were several amendments during this period. Often the details of these are done by ‘delegated decision’, which means the final details and choice of materials is decided by officers and not the Planning Committee.

Then on 30 September 2014 ‘Condition 3’ was agreed by delegated decision; this related to the final choice of cladding.

Who made those decisions, advised by whom, and why, should be thoroughly scrutinised by the agencies tasked with the job of investigating these matters and allocating accountability, responsibility, blame and – we hope ultimately – guilt.

To be clear, I was on the Board when the principle of refurbishing Grenfell Tower was discussed, but I was nowhere near the decision-making process for the detailed specifications for refurbishing Grenfell which started when I left. Board members agreed the contract but do not specify cladding or indeed any other technical details. Neither should they.

As you can see clearly from the dates when decisions were made above, the accusation made by the Liberal Democrat candidate Sam Gyimah is incorrect. He has been asked to apologise for his mistake. At the time of writing he has not.

I have signed up for the ‘Compassion in Politics’ campaign, which among other things hopes to: avoid language or behaviour that encourages hate or disrespect; speak with truth and integrity; uphold a level of respect and professionalism. I have huge respect for those who set up this campaign. Some of those who have signed should have a long, hard think.

I met Gyimah for the first time at a hustings recently, and offered a quiet chat afterwards on whether he wished to withdraw his comments. He didn’t take up the offer. I have no wish to spend time, money and stress taking legal action against someone who is clearly misinformed, but if I must, I will.

If this politically motivated lie continues to spread some people will believe it. My life could be in danger. He will be responsible for that.

Politics has always been argumentative and bitter at times. It has now become deadly. For the record, I will never respond in kind. Kindness – and compassion – are also contagious"

SJaneS48 · 13/12/2019 15:50

@amd4578 fair point. I don’t have SEN DC & therefore it’s not something I’ve looked into hugely & had seen these figures on Mumsnet. So much misinformation has been thrown around (or simply made up) during this election, I’m sure we could all have fact checked more.So basically then, the facts are there will be additional money before a return to the current spend - do you believe this enough? Again, I have no direct experience but friends who do find current support woeful & complain of the difficulties in a) getting their children into a school that doesn’t want them b) staffing cuts in the schools that will take them and c) poor respite care. There also seems to be some reliance on Charities to provide services the government just won’t fund. So again, do you believe this is adequate and the best we, the sixth richest nation in the world can do? Just curious!

On another note, if you are a Tory (which quoting from the Tory manifesto might suggest) then I’d question your motive for being on this thread. If not and this was purely about fact checking, totally agree I was wrong and hands up.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 13/12/2019 16:34

I'm not advocating for minimum IQ standards before you can vote

It's not IQ so much as critical thinking skills. I know people who appear to all intents and purposes to be pretty intelligent but have none.

SueDoeName · 13/12/2019 16:43

I was pro Brexit and I STILL couldn't vote Tory .

I looked at the manifestos - my guess is many didn't and voted on Brexit alone .
Sheep.

I'm also incredibly sad. I couldn't comprehend why some of my friends and colleagues- with disabled kids would vote Tory ?? Beggars belief. I was in a former labour safe seat and they lost it last night. Brexit has truly fucked this country over .

TheBlueStocking · 13/12/2019 16:46

I am lucky enough to live in a safe Labour seat and I don't know - or know of - a single Tory supporter amongst my friends. My jaw has been on the floor today reading the vitriol against the poor.

TheBlueStocking · 13/12/2019 16:46

I think it will take quite a while to mourn this.

kissmewherethesundontshine · 13/12/2019 17:03

I have no words...me and my family didn't have much before but how can we justify donating food and clothes now when those who need it have voted how they have. I hope the rich find some compassion and donate now that us poorer folk cannot Sad

SlowAndWild · 13/12/2019 17:08

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firstimemamma · 13/12/2019 17:12

SadSadSadSadawful news

Kubo · 13/12/2019 17:12

Fuck off SlowAndWild.

SJaneS48 · 13/12/2019 17:28

I hope you’re all reporting Slow! Clearly come on this thread to antagonise people and gloat because she’s really nothing better to do with her life. Popular in the playground were you @SlowAndWild?!

SpiderCharlotte · 13/12/2019 17:31

Ah come on @SlowAndWild, give it up. You're making yourself look really ridiculous and it's getting embarrassing.

JasonPollack · 13/12/2019 18:09

I'm just feeling very hopeless. How can we ever have the government we need when it is clear the establishment, the BBC, the newspapers will never allow that to happen.

If JC had had anything like the treatment Boris the bumbling liar received we would have won with a stonking majority.

OhGrrrreat · 13/12/2019 22:44

Hugs to everyone on this thread except the goady ones who can go fuck themselves

I was very upset last night (onset of PMS too which didn't help), and managed to mostly avoid the news today.

I am a northern working class female, a religious and ethnic minority with migrant parents from a commonwealth country, a dgf who was a ww2 veteran. JC makes me feel safe and wanted in this society. BJ... well, the opposite. On behalf of all decent northerners I apologise for those who helped vote in a fascist thinking he will somehow change their miserable situation, Brexit will create jobs and magically send back all immigrants, EU and Non-EU. Whilst trying to 'get Brexit done', they're done themselves in but sadly aren't even aware.

Despite the lies, exaggeration, smears and demonization of JC by the MSM, backstabbers in his own party and the establishment, many, many people from all backgrounds love JC. I saw it at the various rallies this week. Sadly it wasn't enough to make a difference in the polls yesterday.

DH runs a foodbank and has said they will likely see an increase in demand in the coming months. If it was me, I'd filter out the Tory voters and tell them to fuck off and ask BJ but thankfully DH is a much better person than I am. Sorry I'm just too angry. But which person happily inflicts misery and pain on themselves??

HeIenaDove · 13/12/2019 23:15

Has anyone else been watching The Last Leg?

OhYouBadBadKitten · 13/12/2019 23:20

Yes, and it's soothing.