London Bridge incident **WARNING from MNHQ - graphic content**

[Beveren]

Anyone there? Reports are sketchy at the moment. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2019/nov/29/london-bridge-incident-police-city

I'm wondering about security at the ex-offenders' event the terrorist attended. I would like to think that they couldn't have missed someone turning up with knives, tape and a fake suicide vest, which would suggest that he met someone later who handed them over, but it seems a complicated way of going about things given that he'd still have had to put the vest on and tape the knives to his hands.

No you're right, nobody knew the bomb vest was a fake.

It's still highly inappropriate to give a serving prisoner an honour. He might benefit from his bravery at his next parole hearing.

Beveren he was out on license, tagged. I assume that means he wasn’t delivered to the conference from prison, but made his own way there from wherever he was living.

It’s an interesting point about the items he may or may not have taken in- who knows how he did it. I am not surprised if the venue didn’t have mental detectors- it’s a rather old building- but potentially it means that bags etc weren’t being searched

But then, at the same time I’m not sure anyone would’ve expected it to be a high security event, if these were people who were out in the community anyway. Obviously they were wrong, but you can see why it might not have been considered

Did he enter the event?

I assume so, as it was so late in the day when it happened and the police were called to a “building next to London Bridge” which is, i assume, where he stabbed the 5 victims?

Of course he could’ve just gone crazy in the reception area having not yet gone through security or started the conference

@HoldNose is a troll. No normal human being would think like that.

It's very simple..he was a terrorist. He has destroyed many lives. All innocent people!!
Not only the people that were murdered, their family, friends, work colleagues..Witnesses having to see what they did. The police. The AFO (they maybe trained to deal with situations like these, but that doesn't mean when they actually have to help the innocent general public, it won't have a huge impact on their mental health).

He was shot dead. Thank God!! Good riddance to pure evil!!

Taxpayers shouldn't pay for these heinous monsters to be put in a prison for a few years..

Anybody that is that intent and capable of hurting
many innocent lives, should not be on this earth.

Do we know any more about the lorry spanning the road?
Doesn't seem to be terror related.
I do wonder if the driver put lorry across the road to stop other vehicles ramming in to pedestrians?

Perhaps I missed a post, but @HoldNose, are you saying this man should not have been killed?

The convicted murderer (general) would have little compunction in attacking anyone. Those on prison convicted of violent offences are violent offenders. They are capable of violent assault and murder, many may be psychopaths, certainly not meritous of awards. Murderer just doing what murderers do, it comes easily to them, not bravery. Thriving in violence and aggression.

Holdnose doesnt seem to realise they are condemning the terrorist through their words here. That they are saying very clearly they are setting themselves against the terrorist [who planned to take life, who murdered and planned to murder].

Holdnose says they are against everything the terrorist did and anti their actions.

Presumably holdnose is in a place of not allowing themselves to consider such things as their reactions in any situation of threat. This is against human functioning/survival, that once aware that threats in life exist you prevent yourself from thinking about it, actively blocking. We take avoiding and defensive actions every day.

Presumably they would simply passively wait to be murdered by the murdering terrorist, either by bomb, gunshot or stabbing.

Whats this about the man who escaped the scene after stabbing two, originally from stoke?

Thank you Vaggie

@HoldNose can't answer the question. Says it all really.

I think the police and bystanders did exactly what was right, shot the bastard and saved lives, good luck to them. Terrorists don’t play by some rule book, they kill incriminatly , they are ruthless and act without any conscience., anyone who has any sympathy for the man who did this is deranged. Holdnose is clearly as arse or a troll. I just feel very sad for the people who were murdered and for their families and friends.

I believe that people planning to commit acts like this will wear a fake bomb vest knowing they will get shot.
Being shot makes you a martyr, going to prison does not.

I believe that people planning to commit acts like this will wear a fake bomb vest knowing they will get shot
There’s a term for this phenomenon- blue suicide.

Basically giving the police no choice but to shoot to kill.

As for the ‘hero’ it’s raised some philosophical questions, can a good deed offset a bad one, are people ‘good’ or bad, or do ‘bad’ people do ‘good’ things and vice versa. Etc.

However if I were the family of his victim I would feel heartbroken and him being labelled a hero. It must be gut wrenching for them.

Being shot makes you a martyr, going to prison does not

They might think it does. But there's no reasoning with people like that.

Which is why anyone who poses a danger to society at large needs to be prevented from having the opportunity. It's about time our justice system woke up to the fact that, for some people, rehabilitation is never going to be an option.

The cult/religion references made by pp of the disenfranchised of the world being drawn inexorably by the cults and religions of the world have it.

There are also many of the most dangerous perpetrators of dv following similar lines of holier than thou and very imbedded in either their own beliefs or those of their community (and taken too far).

Extremism.

As I posted before, he was sentenced to 16 years in 2012. He was released in 2018. He was at a conference on ‘integrating’ ex convicts when he murdered two people. This terrorist attack will highlight the myriad failings in sentencing and parole because it happened at a conference on‘rehabilitation.’ The judge said this about his early release:
In my judgement, these offenders would remain, even after a lengthy term of imprisonment, of such significant risk that the public could not be adequately protected

I am s hocked he could possibly have been included in the cast of 'ex' offenders when hes still considered to be under her majestys glare and control, albeit in the community.

Heads of those in decision-making positions need to roll for this and all the other inadequate provisions and supposed rehabilitation that fails over and over.

Society knows that some hold dangerous beliefs that don't change from simply having served time.

These decision-makers are overpaid and under intelligent.

Who is at liberty to ignore a judge's ruling and counsel?

It looks as though the attack started at the lecture and one of the men killed was a lecturer there. Surely there must be huge questions raised about security measures if he could attend such a lecture with knives and the hoax vest on him.

We get searched every time we go to a concert (rightly so). Weren’t these men searched? Surely there should have been more security if you have an event full of former prisoners. ..

Fucking appalling that a lecturer with years of education and experience to offer to help ex offenders with moving forward with their loves loses their life.

and to those who lost their lives and to those still suffering.

It was a conference designed to help released prisoners with their ‘rehabilitation.’ The outrage is that this terrorist fanatic was released at all. Let’s hope this causes a forensic examination of sentencing and parole. Especially in light of the judge’s comments

ive been in bed sick.i know this is anooying but can aybody fill me in on what we do know.i think ive opened fifty trillion tabs all telling me very different (mostly looking like gossip) details!
this man was at a conference did he kill other offenders at the conference or random public.
ive seen that tthe other offendrs chased to stop him but also it was just people on the street
iv seen that the man running from the scene with the knife chcucked somthign out his poket into the water so is involved.
i cant find any detail that arent different with evry page i read

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/30/london-bridge-terror-attack-victims-stabbed-deaths-terror-suspect/