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London Bridge incident **WARNING from MNHQ - graphic content**

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Beveren · 29/11/2019 14:27

Anyone there? Reports are sketchy at the moment. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2019/nov/29/london-bridge-incident-police-city

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ploopsie · 30/11/2019 09:53

I don't make plans to take life in a self defense situation, others do

How many people actually do plan this though? Until you're in that situation you don't know if you'll fight, run or freeze.

Passthecherrycoke · 30/11/2019 09:53

I’m So surprised you don’t want to discuss this in an adult way @HoldNose. It seems really odd you even posted. Were you on the vino collapso last night?

heartsonacake · 30/11/2019 09:56

I don't make plans to take life in a self defense situation, others do

HoldNose Nobody plans to take a life in a self defense situation. These things happen.

If you ever find yourself in a situation where you need to defend your own life you may very well take another’s. Nobody knows how they will interact in that situation.

ploopsie · 30/11/2019 09:56

I’m So surprised you don’t want to discuss this in an adult way

@HoldNose seems to have a very childlike view of seeing the world in black & white.

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 30/11/2019 09:57

Thanks for the clarification Passthecherrycoke I honestly thought someone convicted for such a serious offence would be subject to quite intrusive monitoring and restrictions whilst on probation.

Serious sex offenders get released into special hostels away from schools etc so I just assumed he'd receive extra monitoring specific to the unique nature of his offense.

BettysLeftTentacle · 30/11/2019 10:00

I know it’s going back several pages but @ploopsie I was there on 7/7 too, caught amongst one of the scenes and you’re right, phone lines down, no buses or trains or tubes. By the time I managed to get out, there were also no cabs or hotel rooms either. A very kind Muslim man and his friend drove me home to the suburbs and refused any money I threw at them (if you’re out there Akbar and friend, you’re still my heroes nearly 15 years on). You’re also right that I didn’t once feel any inconvenience. Immense fear but no inconvenience. I also understand though that fear can also be expressed as ‘that’s a bit annoying’.

As a Londoner, I’m not surprised at what the those members of the public did. We may be an aloof species but we love our city and our people and it feels like a personal affront when somebody threatens us like this. Jesus though, brave is the understatement of the year when it comes to those men.

I feel for the police officer. The way that planned out was not ideal for him. He must be reeling. I hope he can somehow move on.

And one big thing that most people forget, is those walking away from the scene, untouched. Those people videoing for example. It’s a mindfuck and they’ll be thinking about this for the rest of their lives and reliving it every time something like this happens in the future.

HoldNose · 30/11/2019 10:02

01Passthecherrycoke

To be fair I think there are likely to be at least 2 views: that you can kill someone in self defence, but the justice system should deal with you as they would any other killer (ie self defence is no defence)
Or b) you should never kill and be willing to lay your own life down and be killed rather than do so.

If someone was trying to attack my children with a knife I would do everything I could to kill them. I can’t imagine anyone who would step aside lest they become a killer. I don’t think they would be normal, actually.

There is just one example of plans to take life in a given situation.

No idea what was achieved with the name calling and policing of my language choice by some.

Passthecherrycoke · 30/11/2019 10:05

It’s funny you say that, I remember people being very concerned about how they would get home on 7/7. For much of the day the entire transport system was down, and it was the first attack so no one knew what to do. Yesterday was much more relaxed

Ginger1982 · 30/11/2019 10:06

@HoldNose so what should the police have done instead? Potentially let him blow himself up and take lots of other people with him?

Passthecherrycoke · 30/11/2019 10:08

I’m a bit confused about your planning point - are you saying it’s the plan to use self defence, should one ever need to, that you find abhorrent?

Actually your whole ethos is very confusing tbh

anxioussue · 30/11/2019 10:11

i class all three murderers on that bridge the same, they all took a life

  1. The terrorist was the only murderer.
  2. He went there with intent to kill, it was premeditated. therefore it was murder.
  3. The police did not have premeditated intent to kill. Therefore it was not murder.

hth.

heartsonacake · 30/11/2019 10:11

and policing of my language choice

HoldNose It’s nothing to do with language choice and everything to do with your ignorance on the definition and meaning of words.

You can’t just decide that a word has a different meaning to what you want it to because it doesn’t fit with your silly, childlike word view.

SouthernComforts · 30/11/2019 10:17

I'm personally glad the police took action yesterday. Prison did not rehabilitate this man. Shooting him is preferable to him potentially going on a killing spree every 10 years for the rest of his life, after each "rehabilitation" attempt.

ploopsie · 30/11/2019 10:17

@BettysLeftTentacle it definitely shook me up & my experience was just having my tube terminated early & not knowing what was going on/not being able to contact people. I'm glad there was far less social media then though.

Marcipex · 30/11/2019 10:18

The men who detained him should get a medal.
And the police officer who shot him absolutely did the right thing.

HoldNose · 30/11/2019 10:19

I choose my words, I choose my beliefs and the same goes for you.

BettysLeftTentacle · 30/11/2019 10:20

Absolutely re social media @ploopsie. The Media coverage was enough.

ballsdeep · 30/11/2019 10:22

HOLDNOSE
I wonder if you would feel different if it was a member of your family, casually going about their day and brutally murdered by a terrorist. Not a 28 year old, but a terrorist who wants to reign terror on our streets. He was plotting terror attacks from 2010. He deserves to be dead. Those police officers are heroes and I'm so glad and grateful we have brave officers who are willing to put their lives on the line every single day to keep you and I safe. It makes me sick to my core that the police officers, who actually went into the situation knowing he had a bomb (probably didn't know it was fake) will be criticised and under scrutiny by people such as yourselves for keeping people safe.

heartsonacake · 30/11/2019 10:23

I choose my words, I choose my beliefs and the same goes for you.

HoldNose Yes, you can choose your words, but you really should learn the definitions of the words you wish to use so you can use them correctly.

HoldNose · 30/11/2019 10:26

A loved one murdered.

Findumdum1 · 30/11/2019 10:26

One of the men that detained him was a convicted murderer out on licence who allegedly knew the terrorist. Does he still deserve a medal? Another was an off duty police officer, doing what he was trained to do. What about him? As others have said, not everything is black and white. Though all displayed bravery in my opinion.

HoldNose · 30/11/2019 10:27

A loved one of mine was murdered.

GCAcademic · 30/11/2019 10:29

A loved one murdered.

Oh, ffs. You're a bloody troll. Shame on you, using this event to deliberately rile people Biscuit

frostedviolets · 30/11/2019 10:34

A loved one of mine was murdered

You don't speak as if that's the case.
Unless the 'loved one' refers to the murderer...

Passthecherrycoke · 30/11/2019 10:51

Yeah course they were.