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Tories set for a 68 seat majority

194 replies

KenAdams · 28/11/2019 07:33

According to the YouGov poll.

I'm astounded - I thought it'd be hung again.

What do you think has caused this? Confidence in Boris or a lack of in Corbyn?

OP posts:
sunglasses123 · 28/11/2019 20:52

ACautionary is right. Having worked with government depts including the NHS has made we realise it’s a monster. Lots of people taking little responsibility and having endless meetings about very little.

I agree it’s about time we had a more Europe type model with some sharing of the cost as opposed to everything being free but no party would dare discuss this at this moment in time.

My DS has recently completed his degree. The money at his university is being squandered on VC pay and fancy buildings. They know that they can charge £9k and they have spent the money recklessly. Even if that student never pays the debt back they are quids in. So - no I don’t believe that throwing money around like crazy will fix the NHS.

EngTech · 30/11/2019 08:42

Polls have been know to get it it wrong though 😳

I will wait for the official result the morning after.

Will we then have endless arguments that the result was the wrong one and we should have another GE just to make sure that the public voted correctly ?

ElluesPichulobu · 30/11/2019 10:26

@sunglasses123 They know that they can charge £9k and they have spent the money recklessly. Even if that student never pays the debt back they are quids in

this really isn't true. universities are getting less per student in real terms than they used to before fees were introduced.

pre fees the money came directly from the taxpayer to the university. now the money initially comes from the banking sector and is paid back to them by either the former students if they end up wealthy, or by the taxpayer if they don't. the universities are no better off (in fact a bit worse off) but have to meet higher expectations with less money.

but that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread anyhow.

marvellousnightforamooncup · 30/11/2019 11:21

My name is Marvellous and I lie to YouGov.

ForalltheSaints · 30/11/2019 11:43

OP I think it is more about Jeremy Corbyn being seen as unfit to be Prime Minister, especially the anti-semitism issue in the Labour Party and having shared platforms with terrorist sympathisers.

NormaLouiseBates · 30/11/2019 12:30

This terrifies me to my very core. Another 4 years of Tories? Stop the world; I want to get off Sad

I want to say that the following post is not mine, but it sums up 100% exactly how I feel at the moment and is worded 100x more eloquently that I could. It's a post from a friend of a friend on FB:

It's staggering to me that people can see the state of this country right now and say "oohhh yeah, more of that please".

The NHS on it's arse due to massive funding cuts and the removal of bursaries for nurses, huge spikes in crime due to massive cuts in Police numbers, people literally dying due to cuts in benefits and mental health treatment, school's crumbling because teachers aren't being treated properly and huge increases in hate crimes due largely to a PRIME MINISTER who is publicly sexist, homophobic, racist and generally a horrible inbred bigot. Oh yeah and who could forget all the tax breaks they give to their big corporation pals.

Food bank usage has hit all-time highs and that's nothing to be proud of. We have people who work full-time and still can't afford to feed themselves or their families. There are even baby banks for people who can't afford formula, nappies and clothes. This is Tory England as a result of years of austerity and it's nothing to be proud of. This country is a disgrace right now but everyone will blame the previous Labour government (wrong) or the Lib Dems from the Coalition (wrong) rather than the actual party who has been in charge all this time, had all the power and made all the decisions.

I'm no Corbyn supporter by any means, his flip-flopping on Brexit put me right off but at his core I truly believe he's a good man who wants to help the majority of the country as best he can. I don't even believe Johnson is a human and he simply doesn't give a toss about anyone other than himself and his rich Etonian chums - same as any Tory really.

It's quite staggering how many people believe the whole "HE'S A TERRORIST SYMPATHISER" bollocks that the Tory-funded media has been peddling for years. Why have they done this? Because they are absolutely terrified by him because he's a credible threat to everything they've made for themselves. Brexit along was started because arseholes like JRM don't want to lose their offshore tax haven accounts when the EU close off those loopholes. He's a man of the people, he's against war and he's against letting big business trample the country in the way they do.

150+ independent economists and scholars have vouched for the Labour manifesto, it isn't unrealistic and it won't cost you any more money unless you are a top earner but you stand to gain more. Do you have kids? Free childcare places from 2 years old instead of 3. Do you like the trains? They want to renationalise and get things back on track instead of seeing price hikes every single year with no improvement in quality or service. Do you like a free NHS? Well that continues under Labour with added funding while the Tories will sell it off and we'll end up like America where people will literally die rather than pay their medical bills because they can't afford it.

Labour is the party of the people, Tory is the party of the rich elite and voting for them is voting to keep this country racist, underfunded, massively in debt and a general shithole.

PhoneLock · 30/11/2019 12:36

Tories set for a 68 seat majority

I'll believe it when I see it.

I persuaded my Nan to stay at home last night. She's over 90 and her MP is Nadine Dorries.........quite pleased I've removed one vote from her.

Emmeline Pankhurst would be proud of you.

Comradesally · 30/11/2019 13:26

Mixture of things. Who really wants to delay brexit any further?
Leave voters won't just disappear in the misty wild eyed claims from swinson that they will come to their senses?

The uncertainty is crippling!!
We need to start the trade talks balls rolling.

Who wants to be poorer under jc government? Who? No one believes that the UK will be able to generate any money under his regime to pay for anything...

Do we really vote in a party which will trigger the exodus of some Jewish people?! Really!!

Who left has any credibility?

Right now we need a party to drive through brexit, a party who believes in the UK and doesn't seem to loathe it and get brexit done.. Hopefully momentum and far left will be annihilated by this election... And in 5 years we have some semblance of normal balanced parties again.. Hopefully the likes of chukka, abbot, corybn, etc are long gone and forgotten and the Labour mps are from the communities currently forgotten by Labour. And it will mean something again.

Letseatgrandma · 30/11/2019 14:29

Who really wants to delay brexit any further?

Hundreds of thousands of people want to delay it forever.

Who left has any credibility?

Certainly not Boris Johnson.

Hereismyreply · 30/11/2019 17:22

For those saying that pollsters have got it wrong before, I would advise you to take this poll seriously. I understand that the technique it uses bucked the trend at the last election and made a more accurate prediction. This is because this poll looks at a lot of data around the people questioned, detects specific voting trends (eg are middle aged Leave voters in Leave voting constituencies less likely to vote Labour than in 2017 etc) and then looks at how those voting trends will play out in individual constituencies. I personally think this poll is probably pretty accurate, which brings me no joy at all, as I believe a large majority for Johnson is actually dangerous, as the government will make changes to make it difficult to challenge them, eg look at how they have threatened to review Channel 4's licence for daring to pass comment on Johnson's refusal to engage with the climate change debate.

Hereismyreply · 30/11/2019 17:33

Another point to remember is that because of the way our electoral system works, there doesn't need to be a huge swing towards the Tories for them to win loads more seats. Lots os seats are currently held by very small majorities, so even a minor swing towards the Tories could win them lots more seats, particularly if the opposition is split. That's why tactical voting is so important.

BoneyBackJefferson · 30/11/2019 18:40

I have found the media and social media quite interesting at the moment, the vast majority seems to be poking holes in Corbyn, he is X, he is y, labour policies are flawed due to X, Y and Z.

But very few are actually adverting what the policies of the tories are.

I find this very telling and reminiscent of past tory victories where the whole run up to the election was basically vote for us or they will get in.

Very sad, it seems that no-one has learnt anything from the recent past.

CactusAndCacti · 30/11/2019 18:47

Who wants to be poorer under jc government?

Well the vast majority will also be poorer under a Tory government, and that is poorer than now and it is already really shit for a lot of people.

BertrandRussell · 30/11/2019 18:53

“ Who wants to be poorer under jc government?”
I don’t mind being a bit poorer. That’s how taxation works. As Graham Norton, for example, has recently pointed

billysboy · 30/11/2019 18:59

Most people just cant see Corbyn and Abbot running a bath let alone the economy and the country

John1971 · 30/11/2019 18:59

The pollsters got it spectacularly wrong in 2015. And that’s not the first time.

lljkk · 30/11/2019 19:12

I reckon I must be one of the people Yougov based its calculations on. I live in a Tory-LD marginal & Yougov has been asking me frequently for my vote decisions, anyway.

I want a hung Parliament & rid of both Corbyn & Johnson.
A girl can dream, right?

WinnieTheW0rm · 30/11/2019 19:17

Diane Abbott is shadow Home Sec, so we really should be seeing more of her in the campaign than we have so far

OddBoots · 30/11/2019 19:20

Not what I want at all but if it does happen it will hopefully shift Labour away from Momentum and Corbyn. This should be an entirely open goal for Labour but they really not doing what is needed.

MilkTrayLimeBarrel · 30/11/2019 19:21

The only party which can steer this country into safe waters is Conservative. Labour are a socialist nightmare - LibDems are pathetic - and the rest come nowhere!

raskolnikova · 30/11/2019 19:26

Most people just cant see Corbyn and Abbot running a bath let alone the economy and the country

I could write exactly the same sentence using the names Boris Johnson and Priti Patel.

BertrandRussell · 30/11/2019 19:36

I’m sure Patel could run herself a lovely bath- lots of Jo Malone essences and White Company towels.
The thought of being anywhere near a bath run by Johnson makes me shudder.
I bet Corbyn uses Pears Soap...

raskolnikova · 30/11/2019 19:39

Okay maybe you have a point about Patel and her bath. I can imagine her sat there smugly smirking away in it too.

raskolnikova · 30/11/2019 19:42

Would still rather her not be in charge of national security and immigration, but here we are.

Comradesally · 30/11/2019 20:19

Bertrand, that's extremely Nobel of you to not mind being a little poorer.

However that statement doesn't bear any perspective or nobel intention, without understanding your current financial position?

When I say '' who wants to be poorer under a JC government'' I say it from the perspective of someone who has been made homeless twice, scraped by these past 15 years and I'm finally in a position of basic.... Basic financial security...

So thank you... But I'd like to hold onto that, and not be made further poorer because we all will be, people like me on the edge of the precipice crawling, out as well as those deep within it.

But please be transparent and share your circumstances... Bertrand Russel.