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Tories set for a 68 seat majority

194 replies

KenAdams · 28/11/2019 07:33

According to the YouGov poll.

I'm astounded - I thought it'd be hung again.

What do you think has caused this? Confidence in Boris or a lack of in Corbyn?

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MrsMaiselsMuff · 28/11/2019 10:53

@dirtyrottenscoundrel Are you basing your opinion of Diane Abbott on what the media tells you, have you actually researched her achievements yourself? If you did, you'd find she is a trailblazer, she's achieved more than most of us could ever dream of, despite numerous barriers.

Judge someone on their actions, not some interview where she's been set up to fail.

www.theheroinecollective.com/diane-abbott/

mrsmuddlepies · 28/11/2019 10:56

@CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook.
God people are stupid. Willfully stupid
You see, that is what i mean by some members of Labour party sneering at ordinary people.
Are you quoting Jeremy Corbyn or is that your own view?
Hilary Benn would never say that but he is a good man.

AgeLikeWine · 28/11/2019 10:59

I’m disappointed but not at all surprised.

As so many of us predicted from the start, Corbyn has been a complete disaster as Labour leader. Any other reasonably competent leader, eg Starmer, Cooper would have hammered the shambolic Tories who are there for the taking. It is a tragedy for the country that we are stuck with five more years of the Tories because Corbyn is useless and unelectable.

As Tony Blair said : “If we can’t beat this shower, we don’t deserve to be in power”

formerbabe · 28/11/2019 11:01

I think the Tories will win, not because they're popular but because voters don't like the alternative.

It's more of a case of who do you hate the least rather than who do you like the best.

I won't bother voting.

dirtyrottenscoundrel · 28/11/2019 11:02

No MrsMaiselsMuff
I’m basing my opinion on Diane Abbott saying she loves the people of Hackney but sent her son to a private school miles out of the area. Something she’d criticised other MP’s for doing.
She’s just another massive hypocrite.

PortiaCastis · 28/11/2019 11:13

Dianne still commanded a huge majority in spite of the politics of personal destruction

electionresults.parliament.uk/election/2017-06-08/results/Location/Constituency/Hackney%20North%20and%20Stoke%20Newington

OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg · 28/11/2019 11:15

After all the protests and marches against Brexit, it's surprising how unpopular the LibDems are.
I guess the remainers aren't that bothered.

I'm hard Remain but I can't vote for the Lib Dems since they've told people like me (gender-critical women who don't support self-ID) that they didn't want my vote.

ThatsMeInTheSpotlight · 28/11/2019 11:16

mrsmuddle I've met Hilary Benn, I'm surprised you think he never considers himself superior to others. I assume you don't know him. But then you also think Jo cares about people. Again, not a perception held by many in her constituency.

OkayOkay1 · 28/11/2019 11:16

Does anyone else thing labours problems stem back to Ed Milliband being elected over David Milliband?

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 28/11/2019 11:17

I never said I was a labour supporter. I live in an area where Labour win every time and virtually throw my vote away by voting Green.

Sneering. No. Just being truthful. If you truly believe the Tories can be trusted with the NHS, and Boris who ensures thousands of pounds worth of business grants earmarked for UK businesses goes to women he is 'friends' with who have businesses registered in the US - is more principled a character than JC, and cares more for 'ordinary people' that is what you are. Stupid.

I'd trust Nigel Farage more than I would Boris. Can't stand him but he at least truly believes in Brexit, can't fault him for that. Yes he's used it to advance himself, but in principle he has stood by what he believes in. Unlike Boris who jumped on the momentum of Brexit to involve himself in popularity politics and further his political ambition. And by jolly is it working. He's worked out how venal and simple people are.

MarshaBradyo · 28/11/2019 11:18

Okay - yep. Ed was a sitting duck for the media they did the same to him as Corbyn. David could have faired better.

VolcanionSteamArtillery · 28/11/2019 11:24

The Theresa May election result should have been entirely predictable. anyone who wanted to protest conservative policies did so then. It left the bigger issue of brexit in tatters.

This time noone who voted leave will vote anything but conservative because of the shit storm after the last GE. Thats 51% of the vote. Maybe knock it down to 45% for those who have "changed their mind" (havent met any) or would vote when every vote mattered but not in the election. As soon as the Brexit party backed out Conservatives could pick up those additional votes which they havent had in along time. A second referendum wasn't going to satisfy labour leavers

Remain will split between Labour, Lib Dem and SNP. That's 49% of the vote split 3 ways. SNP voters wont vote anything but SNP. Tactical voting wont catch up the rest.

It was always going to conservative landslide. Why do you think Labour wouldn't bring a vote of no confidence or support a general election. They knew

Sakura7 · 28/11/2019 11:24

Polls using the most recent data are showing Labour closing the gap, but this isn't properly reflected in the MRP poll (which includes week old data). It will be interesting to see how it is updated over the next few weeks.

Also bear in mind that the sample size for each constituency is only 150, and YouGov themselves point out that there are significant caveats attached. The Tories are likely ahead, but a majority is far from certain.

stophuggingme · 28/11/2019 11:26

@raskolnikova yep I know I mean I’d rather have a capital punishment fan over a hypocrite any day Hmm

Zenithbear · 28/11/2019 11:28

Corbyn is the reason I won't be voting for Labour. Far too left wing for me. Boris is an idiot and I have never voted tory in my life. It's just a nightmare.

MeanMrMustardSeed · 28/11/2019 12:47

@raskolnikova It seems like the Tories can say or do anything, and they could still win because they've tricked people into believing it's in their interests to have a hard Brexit ASAP.

Here we go again. Anyone that wants Brexit has been ‘tricked’, or hoodwinked, or doesn’t understand, or any other explanation other than we just don’t agree with you.

MarieG10 · 28/11/2019 12:54

I wouldn't take this poll result as anything near certain. Just watched the YouGov rep that has pointed out that many seats could go Conservative by a fine margin, a point made by Dominic Cummings so this is all on a fairly fine edge in reality.

What won't help Labour is Lucy Powell MP (Labour) just get totally shafted by Andrew Neil on the same programme when he pointed out that for the huge planned Labour spend, only 10% will go to the working poor. The rest is going on stuff like tuition fees, Universal credit etc. Just shows where Labours priorities are. Tuition fees....pure electioneering to the students but sod the poor working class families!

Sakura7 · 28/11/2019 13:04

MarieG10 I'm not sure your post has the effect you intended.

Many of the working poor are already receiving some form of benefits, so universal credit reform will help them. I really can't see how money going there is a bad thing, unless you oppose benefits altogether.

10% of spend on the working poor is still a lot more than they'd get under the Tories.

It's better to take a balanced approach towards multiple issues than throw all your resources at one problem alone, that's basic common sense.

Letseatgrandma · 28/11/2019 13:12

only 10% will go to the working poor. The rest is going on stuff like tuition fees, Universal credit etc.

So what?! The tuition fees and universal credit are still helping people.

Deathgrip · 28/11/2019 13:23

The rest is going on stuff like tuition fees, Universal credit etc. Just shows where Labours priorities are.

Newsflash: working people receive universal credit. It’s universal, encompassing all in and out of work benefits. The children of the working poor should also be able to go university.

Improvements to the NHS, education system, public services, increases in jobs, tightening of workers rights all benefit the working poor and all of us.

You’re being very shortsighted.

havingtochangeusernameagain · 28/11/2019 13:35

I'm hard Remain but I can't vote for the Lib Dems since they've told people like me (gender-critical women who don't support self-ID) that they didn't want my vote

I get that completely.

But for me Brexit is the bigger issue - stop that and then worry about the self ID thing. Once Boris has won a majority and taken us out of the EU/transition without a deal at the end of next year, self-ID will be the last of our problems.

havingtochangeusernameagain · 28/11/2019 13:35

(I should say I live in a very safe Tory seat so my vote is immaterial anyway)

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 28/11/2019 13:40

MarieG10 You do realise that some universities are investing in mentoring schemes for children, particularly white working class boys, because they are very under-represented and being put off applying for university?

The same Tories removed maintenance grants and burseries for some of the poorest students. The same Tories who apparently just luuuurve the NHS and have waxed lyrical on how many more nurses and doctors there will be, have removed virtually all NHS burseries for British students trying to train for medical related professions like nursing, occupational therapy, audiology etc. Yet apparently, we should open up the gates and fast track 'skilled workers' ie doctors and nurses, engineers etc coming from abroad while not investing in our own young people to attain those jobs.

After student tuition fees and repayable maintenence loans some students are leaving uni with close to £50,000 pounds worth of debt if not more.

So his pledge means a great deal to poorer middle class and working class people trying to better thenselves, although social mobility isn't something any party has been hot on for decades now.

TryingToBeBold · 28/11/2019 13:43

only 10% will go to the working poor. The rest is going on stuff like tuition fees

Conservatives implemented £9k a year tuition fees and removed NHS burseries (therefore anyone undertaking an NHS course which is heavily placement based.. has to work for free. Scrap that. They have to PAY to work. That's right. Anyone doing a medical degree has to pay £9k a year (loan.. but they'll be paying it back until its wiped) to work at least 50% of their course!).

But the conservative party want to increase the number of nurses by 50,000. Applications into nursing have dropped dramatically because of the increased costs. But are tories going to get rid of the costs and implement bursaries again? No.
This is why the NHS is partly so understaffed.
(The 50,000 number comes from increased foreign recruitment and more incentives to retain current staff).

FYI. The labour want to scrap future tuition fees for the above.

As someone that wants to go back into higher education (and for those whose children will be taking this route too).. I know which policy better suits me.

TryingToBeBold · 28/11/2019 13:47

@CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook cross post but similar point being made. Smile