Would you vote Labour if you earned over £80,000?

[NoMansGE]

When doing more research on labours tax policies DH and I noticed that this starts from salaries of £80,000. This would effect our household as that is DHs salary. We both agree with their campaign for 'no more billionaires'.. but we aren't billionaires. We are a normal family who live a comfortable but far from luxury lifestyle. We're both torn how to vote, as it would usually be labour.

@flowerycurtain how? I’m salaried, on paye. I don’t chose my salary. If the tax is only an extra £20 per month as a PP said why would I even try to keep my salary £79,999?!

That’s actually ridiculous. No one takes a smaller salary to avoid £240 a year tax.

I would guess that poorer Jewish people (or those not from Israel) are probably most likely to support labour. For example Burmese / Indian / Arab Jewish communities often do support Labour because the policies are more in line with their needs.

@Passthecherrycoke I mean the really wealthy. The ones who have companies and leave their wealth in that. They make pension payments to bring themselves under tax thresholds and set up trusts to avoid they tax that people like you pay.

I mean that people like you are the ones that suffer and I don't think it's you that are the problem.

@Passthecherrycoke Yes, it's been widely circulated, but it's a very, very, very minority view.

Here are some links for those who were 'innocently' suggesting it was a smear campaign:
www.survation.com/new-polling-of-british-jews-shows-tensions-remain-strong-between-labour-and-the-british-jewish-community/

86% of respondents believe that there are high levels of antisemitism among Labour Party members and elected representatives (4 and 5 on a 1 to 5 scale where 1 represented low levels of antisemitism and 5 represented high levels), the same percentage as in 2018. Only 6% felt there were similar levels of antisemitism within the Conservatives and the Liberal Democrats, with 46% stating that UKIP had high levels of antisemitism.

twitter.com/labouragainstas?lang=en
Labour against antisemitism Twitter

Letter in the Guardian yesterday
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/14/labour-antisemitism-row-public-figures-say-they-cannot-vote-for-party-under-corbyn

antisemitism.uk/labour-frontbencher-laura-pidcock-reportedly-uses-words-from-jesus-christs-crucifixion-to-describe-critics-of-jeremy-corbyn-at-her-campaign-launch/
Antisemitism UK - Laura Pidcock repeatedly using Biblical antisemitic tropes

antisemitism.uk/labour-candidate-after-candidate-embroiled-in-antisemitism-or-jew-baiting-scandals-in-ongoing-betrayal-of-labour-values-and-british-jews/
A broader overview

www.thejc.com/comment/leaders/to-all-our-fellow-british-citizens-1.491812
Jewish Chronicle front page begging non-Jews not to elect an antisemite - in over 100 years of publication they have never previously done this at an election

@GrumpyHoonMain I would guess that poorer Jewish people (or those not from Israel) are probably most likely to support labour. For example Burmese / Indian / Arab Jewish communities often do support Labour because the policies are more in line with their needs.

Why do you imagine that your ignorant, racist and insulting 'guess' is more valid than actual information and data from people from the actual community you're insulting?

So the really wealthy also wouldn’t bother somehow pretending the earned £79,999. That doesn’t even make any sense

Because for the avoidance of doubt, what @GrumpyHoonMain is doing is repeating one of the major antisemitic slurs employed by Labour, which is that 'Jews don't want Corbyn because they're all rich and don't want to pay tax'

That's right, kids - Jews are all about the money!

How many 'Burmese' or 'Arab' Jews do you think there are in the UK? You are talking absolute, total, uninformed bullshit.

DuchessMustard I'm not Jewish but we have family members who have been persecuted for their religious and political beliefs. My grandmother was a refugee and my great uncle was in Cable Street. We will do whatever we can to support you and your community, any minority's community, because it's what my family does and because it's the right thing to do.

@itwaseverthus Thank you for being a decent person in these very scary times.

@Passthecherrycoke

That’s actually ridiculous. No one takes a smaller salary to avoid £240 a year tax.

You may think it is ridiculous. I know several people who do this due to getting an additional 40% tax on hitting £50k. They prefer to avoid total, tax bill of £60%. They do a calculation at the end of each tax year and pay additional money into their pension so have £50k income reckon able for tax

Lower down the income scale, I am aware where I work of single parents or those on universal credit reducing their hours when getting new jobs or promoted to avoid the UC deductions so I'm afraid human behaviour is intuitive.

When the super tax rate was reduced to 45% the tax take increased. Pure economics and how humans behave

@BoogleMcGroogle thank you so so much

I will vote Labour and risk the outcomes for me, which include: raised tax and abolition of private education (therefore abolition of my daughter's school and my place of work).

@AlphaBravoCharlieDelta thank you so much to you and your husband. I and many others in the Jewish community are very grateful for the solidarity of Muslims at this scary time. I have done some work with Muslims against antisemitism (MAAS) and TellMAMA (the org that challenges Islamophobia) as well as Nisa-Nashim (bringing together Jewish and Muslim women).

It's so important for minorities to support each other because the same people who hound & abuse Jews will do the same to other minorities too, in time.

DId you see what happened in Canvey Island on Remembrance Day?
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/outrage-after-vandals-spray-paint-20853741
antisemitism.uk/cars-and-homes-in-canvey-island-daubed-with-swastikas-and-jews-out-graffiti/

@ DuchessMustard - I live amongst the non-white Burmese / Indian / African / Middle Eastern Jewish community and grew up with them. A lot of them came to the UK with nothing in the seventies. Most of my friends support Labour (even those on high salaries) because they feel the Tories can’t speak for them. Jewish communities where I am are definitely divided on racial lines.

Yes we have voted Labour in the past despite being within range of paying more tax. Public services are crucial to the nation. Life has a way of throwing brickbats (heath concerns, redundancies etc etc) and I want to know that those safety nets are preserved and - dare I say - improved. The NHS is short of 10,000 doctors and 40,000 nurses.

Not voting Labour this time because we have Jewish friends who have outlined their concerns and we have a decent local Lib Dem candidate. Nothing to do with tax.

Would like to think I can vote Labour in the future.

Marie that is completely different. They are borderline people paying into a pension scheme. Of course people on the border of £80k will do the same. But No one mega rich will have any benefit from pretending they earn £79,99 and no one on £80k will take a pay cut to ensure they’re under.
But yes, of course you’re right that people on marginal tax borders will pay more into their pension or other tax efficiencies.

@DuchessMustard - you need to check your white privilege.

(If they can afford to lose the cash that is)

We are lib dem supporters but vote labour when necessary to try and prevent conservative victory. I don't have an issue with their tax policy. It does affect us.

Btw Marie you don’t pay 60% tax over £50k, your amounts are all wrong. I think you might be thinking of people paying into pensions so they can still get child benefit

Yes, have quite high salaries and yes, we vote labour (or sometimes lib dem, if voting strategically). I'm actually happy to pay more tax as I think the overall benefits to society are greater (I'm also Jewish too, and still labour voting).

Yes, because I actually care about other people and not just myself.

@GrumpyHoonMain You have assumed I'm white.

Where is this area you live that has so many Burmese and Indian Jews in it?

I wa wondering that. I mean there are very few Jews of any nationality in this country, about 300,000 isn’t it? In a population of 60 million