Would you vote Labour if you earned over £80,000?

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When doing more research on labours tax policies DH and I noticed that this starts from salaries of £80,000. This would effect our household as that is DHs salary. We both agree with their campaign for 'no more billionaires'.. but we aren't billionaires. We are a normal family who live a comfortable but far from luxury lifestyle. We're both torn how to vote, as it would usually be labour.

I asked DH - he's on about £150k Yes he would vote labour - he's happy to pay more tax if it means better funding for NHS , social care, education and scrapping tuition fees. There are other reasons why he may prefer not to vote Labour ( he's not a fan of Corbyn) but he'll vote tactically in an attempt to stop Brexit. We have never and would never vote Tory. Im a life long Labour voter but I'm wavering between Labour and Lib Dem although can't say I wholeheartedly support either party at the moment. The whole thing is a depressing mess.

I don’t see Corbyn putting his house on the market for what it “should” be worth, though. Whenever he sells, he’ll take advantage of it.

HuloBeraal

Dp works out of London but is in the US a lot so he has to take out the American health care without having the American salary.

Are you saying that anyone in the US who is in work and doesn’t have any deductions for healthcare works for a shitty company.

There must be an awful lot of shitty companies in the US.

What I was trying to say was at a certain level there are other deductions that don’t make it as cut and dried as if you are on £x you come out with £y

The irony is that during 2015 Dp didn’t do any travel to the states as he didn’t feel quite right

If he had gone and been seen by an American doctor things would have been life changing

When I was a high earner, I was always aware of two things. 1) I had far more than I needed; and 2) that I was in that fortunate position due to living in a society where I had been nurtured, educated and generally looked after (street lighting, freedom, police, waste disposal, democracy, defence etc) by the State, so no, I didn't resent paying tax no matter how much of my salary was taken.

I was also aware that I could lose my privileged position of having more than I needed at the drop of a hat. As it was, it allowed me to save, drop everything and go to Uni.

Afaiwc, if I had money left over after rent, utilities and catfood was paid for then I was luckier than a lot of others, and anything else I had after those things were paid for was 'wants not needs'.

Yes but that’s between your husband and his employer and the American healthcare system. We shouldn’t be taxing you less because his job requires it!

I've put it on another thread. But what I would prefer is in paying more tax, that we all, equally get something out of it. Nordi countries have a large tax take, but benefits and services are available to all, regardless of income. I believe. Any MN's from there can confirm?

I thought the Conservatives manifesto was realistic... we don't need to spend loads of money to change the UK unlike Labour who want us to be in debt!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50532000

I wouldn't vote labour if you paid me 80k. Genuinely. Or for any money for that matter.

Yes the point that’s being missed is whether people want a socialist government

Arthur
I think that for instance childcare costs are very heavily subsidised in some or all of the Nordic countries.

I'm voting Labour. I'm a Lib Dem member but tactical voting and I'm perfectly happy with the tax proposal. My husband earns over the threshold and you're damn right he should pay more tax.

I'm feeling rather soul destroyed by how self centred so many people are. Planning to vote Tory simply based on the tax plan or what ever JC's bonkers ideas are regarding independent schools etc. But there is no acknowledgment of the destruction that has been wrought on our public services by 9 years if Tory rule. The NHS is on its knees. I see it all day every day. And it almost brings me to tears. The short sightedness of voting Tory is astounding. Just wait until you keel over with a heart attack and there isn't a fucking ambulance to pick you up off the floor. Then you'll regret not "giving up" that £1k of your £80k plus salary.

And on the antisemitism front...yup, it's deplorable. But so is called women in niqab postboxes. Hardly the fucking moral high ground is it.

@WookieWoo b y threshold do you mean £80k. How much more than £19, 496 and about £5k in NI should your dh pay?
Why is it damn right he should pay more tax? 1/4 isn't enough?

I'm genuinely interested, because at what point does earning £80k become not worth it?

Noeuf - because we/he can afford it. Anyone earning that much can. It's how you pay for good public services that keep people alive. It's very simple maths.

Yes but that doesn't answer the question. So, you say 'damn right he should pay more tax' obviously you think he (and by definition others earning £80k) has too much at £60k net. So how much should he pay to make it fair?

Oh and on that 'simple maths' - I don't think pouring more money in the NHS is the answer without so pruning. I don't agree more money= better services.

If I earned over £80k I wouldn’t have a problem with this particular policy.

I feel completely politically homeless though - each party has something in their policies (or just the institutional bigotry) that makes me feel I can’t in good faith vote for anyone.

I would never vote for Corbyn. I really can't bear what he stands for, and find his views worrying to say the least.

For those who say they can look past his anti semitism, remind yourselves of this verse, and think again:

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

By Martin Niemöller.

I’m a Lib Dem member but voting Labour tactically. I earn many times £80k pa and have no problem with paying more tax to secure better public services for mr and my family and to protect people (the sick, the poor, the disabled) who have been dumped on by the Tories for 9 years. Plus I think people on more than £80k who say they’ll be disincentivised by slightly higher taxes are just feeble. If I’d taken that attitude my career would have stalled, and serve me right!

I’m not a fan of Corbyn, but the view of many of my friends in the City is that Brexit (especially the version offered by the current Conservative party) will be far, far more disastrous to our economy than anything Corbyn could do.

I and my husband worked in the NHS for over 20 years and what the NHS needs is better Managers. It is no good pouring loads of money intothe NHS if the management is crap. My husband has worked in many major hospitals in the UK and he had to stick to a budget but there where always some Doctors who would pressurize him for new office furniture etc. I would think they should pressurize management for new medical equipment but he found they wanted to make their offices look nice .... this is true I'm afraid. Also some Consultants would rush through their NHS clinics so they could get to their own private clinics at the local private hospital because they were getting paid more money there. I can say the the truth now because I no longer work for the NHS and neither does my husband.

@WookieWoo I think it's perfectly understable that people who earn over £80k don't want a Labour Gov, looking out for yourself is a very human trait but they are only 5% of the adult population what I don't understand if the increase in taxes only affect the top 5% why isn't Labour more popular - I have never understood why the less well off chose to receive less of the pie by voting Tory, I'm sure the wealthy really appreciate their support.

We have a household income well over £80k and we’re happy to pay more tax, already do because we’re in Scotland and have better public services. Most people we know in the same situation feel the same. DH currently works in the US and would be much more likely to return if Labour get in than if the Tories stay in power.

I don't agree more money= better services. This is always a convenient argument - more efficiencies are needed...well imo every organisation has inefficiencies, my own household does - you only have to look at the amount of food that gets thrown out and how bloody difficult it is to reduce wastage - I could eat everything in the fridge so I didn't "waste it" but then I'd get fat - an unintended consequence, the unintended consequence of efficiency savings is often a poorer service focusing unintendedly focusing on the wrong objectives. I'm not convinced that spending time looking for wastage is that efficient either - off course there are the easy wins - low lying fruit if you like but there comes a time when you have to stop spending time looking for pennies, because the walls are crumbling around you (literally in Boris's constituency hospital)!

The labour policy on tax is 2 fold. 45% on earnings of over £80,000 and 50% on earnings over ( I think) £150,000 so it is taking more tax from the extremely high earners. If you earn £85,000 it would mean paying an extra £21 per month. I think this is totally fair and would gladly pay this if I earned that much.
No political party is perfect but I will be voting Labour as on balance I think they are offering a far fairer and better deal than the Tories.

Yes, people move across the country away from elderly parents because they can't afford to live in the South East. Of course they do. They also go to places that have lower salaries just because that way their child may get a school place, seen by a doctor, health may benefit from lack of pollution and they may be able to afford to actually go to work (removing the £5k train commute out of net salary). The elderly parents either also move or understand that it is not possible to live that kind of life and something has to change.

And anyone who is paying more than the minimum pension amount should also remember that it is a privilege to do so. I think that there are many things that people pay for with higher salaries that they forget that those on lower salaries just cannot do.