Unplanned - Abortion Film **Trigger Warning** Title edited by MNHQ sensitive content*

[Mum2386]

Hi,
Last night I watched a film called Unplanned, which is based on a true story of a lady working within an abortion clinic called ‘Planned Parenthood’. The film itself brought me to tears on many occasions and it’s made me feel very uncomfortable surrounding abortion. I had an unplanned pregnancy with my third child but knew abortion wasn’t an option for me. I am quite shocked by the amount of abortions that still take place within our society. Does anyone else feel this way? I know we all have different views but i just wondered what other people’s thoughts were on this very sensitive topic.

Dude, we’ve been pointing it out this whole time, hence the genuine skepticism as to your reading ability.

For the hundredth time, Society acts to provide abortion in order to protect women from the realities of illegal, unsafe abortion.

Perhaps with all your obvious education and intellect you can point this out to me, because me being thick and all, I just can't see it

Nothing is going to change this, you will never see their point of view and i, and im sure other posters, will never see yours

And i missed the women dont do their own abortions bit earlier...of course they bloody do

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You can have "recrational" sex as much as you want, i just wanted to hear why you should feel morally compelled to pay for my abortion because i think nature is not fair to me and gets in the way of me shagging whoever i want to."

Wow.

WestBerlin

Well they think “in part” means “totally” and “99%” means “100%” so the evidence of their lack is pretty well documented!

Even people who think abortion is dreadful are keeping quiet now

I dont think they want to be associated with the current ‘pro lifer’

“just wanted to hear why you should feel morally compelled to pay for my abortion”

Oh, I can answer that and it’s not morality really for me, it’s democracy, majority rules. I don’t make the rules according to my moral code, neither do you, the majority does. It’s the social contract we make to live in a democracy. That’s why we have separation of church and state- no one religion/moral code is supreme.

Of course, we are free to protest and try and sway majority opinion...but while the majority rules, we have to pay in our taxes to support everything the majority wants.

And we're back to shagging again.

I think @Saucery was being kinds suspecting abuse, I'm more likely to think Incel.

You're awfully obsessed with the sexual habits of women and very angry not only because they have a sex life, but also that it doesn't end up with her barefoot and pregnant probably making (you) a sandwich in the kitchen.

Alabama would indeed love you.

Again with nature not being fair.. so you refuse any medical help then because it goes against nature? Because if you don’t you are going against nature, surely. I notice you don’t answer any questions other than what fits the sound bites you have. What would you do for all the babies that aren’t wanted but end up born? What about the woman with kids already who ends up dying in childbirth, is that okay? Because that’s what happens when you make abortion illegal especially for your sexist reasons. Would you like a link to some pictures of dead women from illegal abortions? Because that’s why abortions are legal now, to make them safe because when hey are illegal they aren’t and many more women and babies die.

Well, I for one am 100% happy for my tax money to go towards women having abortions when they don't want to be pregnant. I am 100% in favour of people of both sexes having a fabulous time in bed. Even though as a widow with a certain amount of trauma, I'm currently not getting any. You can all have my taxes anyway.

pointythings

pointythings That’s lovely to say.

Maybe all men should just get the snip at age 12 and then only get it reversed if they have permission from their female partner/keeper.

I mean, if people really want to stop abortions....this could work.

pointythings

Why would anyone want to live in a world where a woman could be forced to continue a pregnancy and give birth to a baby she doesn't want, or isn't capable (emotionally, financially, physically) to look after? In this overpopulated, underesourced, struggling planet, having an abortion due to personal circumstances is an option for many women, that completely saves them in their situation.
To put into context... I had an abortion at 18. I was on the pill, and using condoms. Both failed, and I suddenly found myself, living with my parents, attending college, and 8 weeks pregnant. My boyfriend was studying at uni and living at home. Straight away, whether I wanted to think about it or not, I had to make a really horrible decision to end the pregnancy. I COULD have kept that baby. I could have forced my boyfriend to become a dad at 20. I could have "got kicked out" to move up the council housing list. I could have become another teen mum and another shocking statistic. I could have stayed in my minimum wage job, with no driving license, and now no time or money to ever change that. I could have brought up a child I wasn't ready for, and didn't want. I didn't. I had an abortion, and now, 15 years later, with that same "boyfriend" I had back then, we have made a decent life for ourselves. Got good jobs, saved our money, bought a house and moved a few notches up the ladder, travelled the world, and experienced life as young adults, before we decided we were ready to start a family. We have 2 children who were so wanted, and longed for, and appreciated every day of their lives.
If I didn't have the option of an abortion, my current situation would look alot different to how it is right now. I dread to think how things would have turned out if I'm honest. Not a day goes by I regret my decision. And I will always fight for women to continue to have the right to make that choice.

As i've said abortion is not something women do to themselves or by themselves, if it were and women could spontaneously self abort then what you have said would make sense.

Actually spontaneous abortions happen ALL THE TIME. It’s often if something isn’t quite right with the pregnancy and usually in early pregnancy the body will know and the pregnancy will be miscarried. There’s no sanctity in ‘nature’ (as you seem obsessed with nature) when it comes to pregnancy. Nature is as cruel and brutal as it always is. Abortion of pregnancy (particularly early when most abortions occur) is a natural process. If a woman’s body can choose to expel a pregnancy because something isn’t quite right, and we’ve developed medical technology to be able to abort a pregnancy because her living situation/mental health/ desire to be pregnant/whatever isn’t quite right why is that more ‘wrong’? Why is it any less sensible to abort? Your body able to make the decision for you, why can’t your brain?

And I really hope you view your existing children as more than ‘a bit of hassle’.

And I really hope you view your existing children as more than ‘a bit of hassle’.

Well, they are a bit of hassle amongst other things :)

I really don't see your outrage about this, it's very difficult to justify abortion morally on the grounds that I want to have an orgasm. Many abortions are of course not performed for this reason, and I would never advocate banning it as I realise the damage it would cause. But many are performed for just this reason.

That's the justification for it - I want an orgasm of a particular type or the feel of a penis in me - and am prepared to have an abortion to feel it. Again, i'm not saying all abortions are for this reason by any means, but a high number clearly are.

I'm of the opinion that when it comes to the moral argument for this, pro lifers basically win, dead little foetuses and pictures of abortions etc are deemed upsetting and not to be shown to women who need an abortion, as if they seem quite a price to pay so that some dude can get his end away.

Those who say, the getting of the end away is the bigger virtue and if that's means performing hundreds of thousands or even millions of abortions it doesn't matter, don't make any sense to me. I mean there can be no objection to women having as many abortions as they want, or using it as contraceptive if they choose to, that would be their choice.

Anyway - the thread is full I guess..

So what's the option? Have however many babies "God blesses you with" or never have sex?

Yes, and that is exactly what many women do, you can try not to get pregnant by using precautions but there's always a chance.

Re illegal abortions etc - i am not advocating banning abortions, I am however judging women who think their orgasms justify the deliberate termination of a new life as often as they want and that everyone else should suck it up.

It isn’t about morals, it’s about what I can access.

I disagree, people need to consider the moral dimensions of their acts not just consume whatever they can get access to.

I really hope your specific tax is paying the bill for all the contraception I use to fuck about

I'm quite happy to pay for your contraception although I am sure you don't really need me to. I'm less happy to pay for your abortions in light of your all mighty entitlement to put it about.

Maybe all men should just get the snip at age 12 and then only get it reversed if they have permission from their female partner/keeper.

perhaps they should.

You're awfully obsessed with the sexual habits of women and very angry not only because they have a sex life

This is a typical misrepresentation of what I have said, an attempt to say that objection to the "deliberately ending a life is a perfectly reasonable price to pay so I can have sex" means I am a prude and never have sex.

That's the justification for it - I want an orgasm of a particular type or the feel of a penis in me - and am prepared to have an abortion to feel it. Again, i'm not saying all abortions are for this reason by any means, but a high number clearly are.

I didn't get any further in your post than this. What the fuck? Where is the evidence for this? No woman has to justify her reasons for wanting an abortion but to assume this is just stupidity and ignorance on your part.

Evidence shows that abortions mostly are for medical reasons. Obviously that doesn’t fit in with your hating of women who enjoy sex so you ignore it. Fucking idiot.

Sorry I’ve phrased that wrong. What I mean is, abortions happen because of many things but just for the sake of it isn’t the most common reason. Medically needed abortions make up a good chunk as does contraception failure but, a woman shouldn’t need a reason other than “I don’t want to be pregnant” once you start making exceptions for some but not others you just look like an arsehole. Fuck off with your own morals, they are good for you but not to be put into anyone else.

I'm less happy to pay for your abortions in light of your all mighty entitlement to put it about

Ah. So one can only be vehemently pro-choice if one has abortions?

Nope. Never had one. I’m still absolutely certain of the mantra “as early as possible, as late as necessary”.

Careful. Your prejudice is showing.

but to assume this is just stupidity and ignorance on your part.

It really isn't, unless you think medicine is going backwards or something.

Fuck off with your own morals, they are good for you but not to be put into anyone else.

Is this something you universally believe in ? So you don't judge people for their actions as long as they don't directly impact you.

So one can only be vehemently pro-choice if one has abortions?

Again, never said that, just that in my opinion abortion is not morally justifiable in light of the greater good which is apparently "putting it about without having to be pregnant". It is not a greater good in my opinion.

it's very difficult to justify abortion morally on the grounds that I want to have an orgasm

How vulgar and crass.

The tax payer also pays for the ante natal care, hospital births, child benefit, NHS care for the child and schooling for the child....all of whom were the result of sex.

An abortion is far cheaper if you want to look at it in purely financial terms.

idontbelievethisnsmeistaken You’re an idiot basically.

Ending the thread to say pro choice is the only fair option and every woman then gets to choose what is right for herself. Fuck anyone that objects, clearly a bit thick if they do.