Unplanned - Abortion Film **Trigger Warning** Title edited by MNHQ sensitive content*

[Mum2386]

Hi,
Last night I watched a film called Unplanned, which is based on a true story of a lady working within an abortion clinic called ‘Planned Parenthood’. The film itself brought me to tears on many occasions and it’s made me feel very uncomfortable surrounding abortion. I had an unplanned pregnancy with my third child but knew abortion wasn’t an option for me. I am quite shocked by the amount of abortions that still take place within our society. Does anyone else feel this way? I know we all have different views but i just wondered what other people’s thoughts were on this very sensitive topic.

The PP who asked have you tried thinking harder really has it. Have you?

Ok @idontbelievethisnsmeistaken, I’ll bite.
I don’t regard it as a sin or evil, no. Because I’m not Catholic, although I do consider myself a Christian. The great thing is that we can both be right, at the same time! I know, pretty fucking amazing, huh?
I don’t have the right to make you have an abortion you don’t want and you can’t force me to carry a pregnancy to term if I don’t want to.
We can both support women in our own way if we wish to. Heck, in the same way even, as we can both donate to organisations that support women after they have given birth, spread awareness of contraceptive choices (if we agree with that, I do, fine if you don’t).

Your moral code stops at the boundary of my body. That’s the short version.

Yes, because only tax payers that are pro life pay towards abortions. Again, we all pay towards things we don’t necessarily like, and may even have a moral objection to, but we suck it up and pay as that is how society works.

It makes no logical sense to be against abortion and yet for fertility treatments that create and destroy embryos, not if you’re truly for ‘saving babies’ and not just using that as a front for being against women having sex.

That's the thing, she is against the 'entitlement' of women having sex. The first time she mentioned entitlement, I assumed she meant about having abortion. But she actually means it's entitled to expect/enjoy sex and not have to have a baby as a result of it.

I object strongly to my taxes funding machinery that is used to kill children abroad, but I have to suck that up because once it leaves my pay it isn’t mine any more, it isn’t traceable and the government use it as they wish.

I don’t have the right to make you have an abortion you don’t want and you can’t force me to carry a pregnancy to term if I don’t want to.

I think that these two things are quite simply not equal. Forcing someone to have an abortion against their will is in no way the moral equivalent of e.g. the failure of a society to provide a woman at 35 weeks gestation access to a paid medical expert willing to perform an abortion. They are in no way morally equivalent.

I genuinely feel uneasy that she thinks like that. It’s a sign of abuse.

Again, we all pay towards things we don’t necessarily like

I think it's a little stronger than that, they genuinely believe it to be child murder. You cannot expect people to suck up child murder.

" To deny me that means you hate women and are oppressing me."

Denying women the right to safe abortions IS oppressing them.

You only think they are not equal because you are unable to force me into your moral code. Well, tough shit, the law says you can’t so stamp your feet about it all you like, is the bottom line. I guess God will tell one of us we’re wrong some day

e moral equivalent of e.g. the failure of a society to provide a woman at 35 weeks gestation access to a paid medical expert willing to perform an abortion

Interesting that you jumped to 35 weeks...which is incredibly rare in this country and usually for very good reasons

Anyway personally i think everyone is entitled to their opinion....but unfortunately you still need to pay your taxes

You cannot expect people to suck up child murder

Those “legal definitions” you mentioned. Abortion isn’t child murder and therefore they don’t get to cherry pick what their tax funds. Tough shit.

It’s a sign of abuse

What

That someone is being abused or is an abuser

According to your moral code, not mine. By all means apply it to your own body and your own self, you don’t get to apply it to anyone else.

That's the thing, she is against the 'entitlement' of women having sex.

No, that's not fair. What i said was I am against women having sex and then demanding that society must provide them access to abortion so they can have sex and not be pregnant. Compelling everyone, no matter the views to enable their sex life.

No one can have an elective abortion at 35 weeks. Those extremely rare cases are performed only to save the mother's life. Even later term abortions (though much earlier than 35 weeks) usually only happen for medical reasons, and are heartbreaking for the women involved.

That’s she’s been abused. It’s disordered thinking around morality that goes beyond the usual batshittery pro-lifers spout. That all sex is bad unless it’s for procreation. Meh, I’m probably overthinking it. Might be a man anyway.

Sagradafamilia

Exactly

Thank you for clarifying saucery

You only think they are not equal

I would bet that 99% of people would find witnessing a "forced abortion" on a 35 week pregnant women more traumatic than her giving birth naturally.

What is being enabled is human beings being free to make their own choices, based on their own moral codes. You don’t get to impose on their life choices anymore than they can impose upon yours. That is the beauty of freedom.

The agenda becomes much clearer when she/he starts spouting '35 weeks' shit. Emotive lies. Along with 'child murder'. Shame she/he still can't own it and keeps referring to pro-lifers as 'they'.

That all sex is bad unless it’s for procreation

I didn't say that or indeed anything like it. What i said was that one of the consequences of sex is pregnancy. Ending a pregnancy is something a lot of people find morally objectionable, so demanding that they all suck that up so you can have sex without any risk of a birth resulting seems entitled to me.

Nothing to do with abuse, what a ridiculous thing to say.

I would bet that 99% of people would find witnessing a "forced abortion" on a 35 week pregnant women more traumatic than her giving birth naturally.

I would indeed, if it wasn’t just some figment of your fevered imagination. Do you often think of that scenario? Ugh.

You’re again ignoring the fact that everyone is obligated to pay tax, even for things they don’t like. Pro lifers are not special in this.