Anyone watching the Jade Goody doc

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I’m loving watching this. God love jade. So sad her life was tragically short. It’s such a blast from the past. Anyone else watching?

When Jades mum was evicted from the BB house then was this the normal style of evicting or was there another reason as to why they done it like this?

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They used to do surprise evictions all the time inappropriate - the vote was To Save and few bothered to save her but had it been to evict, I daresay Carole would have been First Boot.
I think they knew Jackiey going would unsteady Jade/cause further friction as, whether it was deserved or not, Jade was always fiercely loyal to her mum.

I’m not a fan of Carole Malone at all, she was going on about the class thing in the BB clips I seen, and she had been offensive about Jade in her column before they then met in BB, awkward!

Ah the 1st eviction was between Jack, Jade, Jackiey, Jermaine and Shilpa. Vote to save. No audience (deliberate because they knew Jackiey would be booed and had an idea of the voting?
Ofcom also discussed whether Davina's exit interview with Jackiey should have called her on her the Indian comments.

What is interesting is that Davina had the same agent until the Spring the following year after this aired...the same agent as Dermot O'Leary, Jade, Chantelle, Russell Brand and Cleo on the show.
Step forward one John Noel.

(it led to an article wondering whether Davina gave Jackiey an easier interview because of the John Noel connection and whether Cleo did not pull up Jade on her comments because they shared the same agent).

I have always liked Davina, I have watched her since her Street mate days, loved that show!

Hmm sounds a bit suspect with having the same agent, though sometimes I think if the BB presenter likes a contestant then they often do go easy on them regardless of what everyone thinks they should be saying to them. Wasn’t there some controversy over the way Emma (current BB presenter) can’t-remember-her-surname, spoke to a Celeb BB contestant not so long ago? I can’t remember their name either! I’m sure it was a female though, anybody? Emma admitted to...god I’m so forgetful tonight...somebody or some magazine that she didn’t like this person...anybody?

Ooh I don't know - I bet one of the PWBs will know! - Emma gave Roxanne Pallett a fairly tough interview but got credit for that as viewers wanted justice for Ryan (when in fact Punchgate effectively gave him the win, I am not wholly certain he was a shoo-in had that shit not gone down).
I just rewatched the interview - Davina should have pulled her up on the Indian comment she made but otherwise it was a reasonable job, given that Jackiey was hard to control/was talking a lot. Carole Malone said in the doc she thought she got a place precisely because Jade was going in (friction again, same as Brigitte Nielsen/Jackie Stallone). And Carole wrote some bloody awful things about Jade - I saw in the newswipe video re journo's hypocrisy that it included in Carole's column bitching about Jade turning down a diet pill promotion because of her bulimia. Carole wrote: What? Jade has bulimia? So how come she's the size of a shed?
If you want to make a pariah out of someone, tabloid journos can be top of the list.

Yeah Roxanne Pallet, she was the one! Thanks for that! I didn’t watch that Celeb BB but I heard all about her antics, and Emma really didn’t like her due to this, no wonder though!

Davina was offensive to Jackiey when she made the comment about all the work that she had had done on her teeth and face, yet said that they couldn’t change her voice and Jackiey apologised for it! That was nasty.

That make over show she did looked brutal. Jackiey liked Davina I think so took jokes from her as banter rather than digs. Of course the whole family going in 3 days late into the house would cause disruption/resentment before you've even got started (same as the latecomers to the jungle in IACGMOOH rarely make it to the later stages). Groups gel, bonds/cliques form, people have decided where they stand fame wise then you get 3 'nobodies' in their eyes upsetting the applecart.
Especially as a pretend sleb Chantelle had won the year before...so you had someone they thought might steal the from under them, instant dislike from Leo, Carole, Donny and superfan (really?) Ken. Add to that the master-servant twist and watch it kick off.
I am not defending Jade (thought Shilpa Fuckawallah was worse than the Poppadom comment actually) but producers should have and could have intervened a lot earlier.
They chose not to because of ratings.
But what Jade went through in 27 years was more than most and the letter she wrote to her sons broke my heart. Any young death - hers, Diana's, Amy Winehouse's etc - is tragic because you don't know what they could have done with their potential. Some will say she would not have made a comeback, didn't deserve one, would have been a has-been, written off, bad mum, addict, yada yada but we'll never know. Big Boss might have redeemed her. She might have done something more with her life or walked away from the glare of the paparazzi.
I don't know. She reminded me of some of the kids I have taught in the past in deprived areas, the ones you want to save. She was 25 when she did celeb BB, Jo was 28, Danielle was 24, Jack was 20...all old enough to know better but young enough to change. If you think people can change.

Rewatching those clips, the thing that struck me the most was how angry Jade was during that oxocube flight. It was like she physically couldn't control herself and just had to keep screaming. It was really strange (and horrible) to watch. A PP said they didn't like Shilpa because she wouldn't let it go after an apology was given, but from I saw, Shilpa did say she had misstated the shopping list comment, and it was Jade who just kept on and on and couldn't let it drop.

I thought she (and the other 3) came across as very unkind and it absolutely came across as bullying. That said, I actually had (the tiniest bit) more respect for Jade than the others purely because in the interview afterwards, at least she owned what she had done and seemed genuinely contrite, unlike Jo and Danielle who seemed vaguely confused there was even an issue.

Another PP said that if a middle-class white male had said half of those things there wouldn't be this fuss - I actually agree with this. The other day on the Jeremey Vine show when Yasmin Alibhai-Brown and Godfery Bloom were on, he purposefully mispronounced her name as Yasmin Alibaba-Brown and I have certainly seen very little come back on that, although it is in a very similar vein to the poppadom comment.

I wasn't a fan of Jade, but I do think her upbringing and the papers played a very big part in how things went for her. Unfortunately, I don't think she was savvy enough to know how not to feed into the papers, and I imagine they were sat rubbing their hands in glee anytime she did or said anything vaguely controversial, which doesn't cover them in glory either.

And as for Shilpa, I thought she was classy and kind - to genuinely not want Jade to suffer the public's outrage despite what she (Jade) had put her (Shilpa) through takes a special kind of person.

i thought Shilpa was a snob who looked down her nose on the rest of the riff raff . I never saw it the first time so much as I did when I watched it again. Jade felt intimidated by her and that was Jades problem not Shilpas but it’s very hard when you feel inferior.
I totally believe that there is still a class us and them mentality in this country, not much has changed.

chipstick I think you're right about Jade reacting to Shilpa's background actually. I don't know that Shilpa was a snob, but I think she was being herself from her own social background, as was Jade and it does come across as insecurity on Jade's part. But I still don't think that excuses the behaviour. Plenty of people from less affluent backgrounds manage to be civil and polite and have manners. I wonder if it's more to do with Jade's poor upbringing and abysmal parents rather than purely a class thing.

Finally caught episode 2- and agree with many posters, the BB stuff makes for very uncomfortable watching, more so actually a decade later.

Ultimately most of the things said were racist!

I do though think you can see Jade struggled with the difference in class between her & her family and some of the others (mainly Shilpa) from the offset. Out of insecurity and frustration she argued and went berserk at them for this.
The snivelling and cackling and comments from Danielle and Jo however were just bullying plain and simple. Just nasty!

As for Jackie, I dont think any of her comments, or inability to say Shilpa's name were anything other than the ramblings of a highly damaged, mentally & physically, ex-addict!

I agree about Jackie being highly damaged. Goodness me what a conflict jade found herself in. She knew how people viewed Jackie, she loved and loathed her mother in equal measure I think. She wanted to protect her as she knew how Shilpa, germaine and ken especially were appalled and yet she knew how awful her mother could be. She had lived with it all her life

Jackie would have put drugs above jade making jade fight for every bit off attention from her parent her loyalty to her mum was tragic and imo Jackie exploited jade it was a bloody shame.

Danielle Lloyd was the worst of all 3 in my opinion. Watch her exit interview, she's giggling when she's shown what a horror bag she is.

I didn't watch it at the time, I was over Big Brother by then and was pretty ambivalent about Jade. Having seen part 2 just now I'm horrified by what she was reduced to by the press, all for our entertainment. Putting her in all those interviews, setting it up so that she would break down on camera, getting her to admit and apologise for things she hadn't said, disgusting.

Shilpa was a snob, she was pretty awful to the 'lower class' people way before they were awful to her. Jackiey was the exception with the name issue as soon as she got in the house, but when they played the clip Shilpa's accent is strong and Jackie is not the brightest but Jade corrected her straight away so she should have got it right from then, I am not sure if it was her being racist or just being a bitch. Who knows.

The stuff Jade said was racist of course but I genuinely believe it wasn't said because she is a racist, I think her lack of intelligence and judgement was her downfall here, she had a horrible temper and just said whatever came into head first. She could have said ugly, skinny whatever and it would have been the same to her. Doesn't mean she is a racist but of course the words said were racist. I am not even sure that makes sense, I know what I mean though. The other 2 were worse I think, really nasty bullies. They knew what they were doing and exploited Jade's upset over everything.

The press were vile throughout.

Just to add, in no way do I think what any of them said was ok though. I don't think anyone could not agree with that.

Lack of intelligence doesn't excuse racism. That's giving at least 30% of the population a free pass.

She wasn’t excused, she was put through the ringer

Lack of intelligence doesn't excuse racism its doesnt excuse racism but does go someway to explaining why you dont realise what you are are saying is racist. To someone like Jackie/Jade, they could just think "Paki" is short for Pakistani - however when combined with the venom and anger, and shouted at someone then yes you are an out and out racist.

I was just watching a few YouTube videos of joe and danielle afterwards.

There is one where joe is feeling extremely sorry for herself and blaming bb for ruining her life. She said she was on prozac and her "head isn't very well."

Hmm, I wonder if this self pity would have come about if she just came out the house and wasn't pulled up on her bullying, racist behaviour.

Jade wasn't to be excused for her behaviour but she was famous for bring famous, no real career other than bb and came from a very rough, tough background so her behaviour was more or less all part of her circus life where she was used to getting away with being brash and outspoken because it is all part of it.

Joe on the other hand had a successful pop career and was actually a "celebrity," so her behaviour just seems worse imo. You would think she would be more savvy from being in s club 7 about damage control and being careful about your public image, especially from a bubblegum pop band.

There is no way in this earth jade and Jackie didn’t know what “p*ki” meant.