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Anyone watching the Jade Goody doc

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Jomalaldi · 07/08/2019 21:50

I’m loving watching this. God love jade. So sad her life was tragically short. It’s such a blast from the past. Anyone else watching?

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Mrsjayy · 23/08/2019 09:44

Jade was 19/20 first Big brother single silly and after an adventure Cbbwas a maturer savvier Jade who probably expected to win.

MitziK · 23/08/2019 10:03

I grew up in a deprived area - I am not defending the words used at all, but she would have been known to not be 100% white, and, during the late 70s and 80s, this would also have led to abuse - from memory, 'mongrel' and 'half-ch*t' were common phrases (directed at my nephew/his mum). I'm talking of a time when national front graffiti covered all surfaces that weren't flypostered, broken glass everywhere, yes, white dog shit on the pavements and everybody hid on Saturdays when Millwall were playing the local team.

The way some kids deflected attention away from this/tried to fit in was to be overtly racist towards others that were more visible.

It was also normalised to use 'Pa' as a descriptive term, rather than solely as an insult - we grew up not knowing 'Mr Patel owns the Pa Shop' was abusive, as it was a million miles away in intent from 'Oi! YOU! PA LOVER!!!' being screamed out of a van at you for walking home with your mates as you got older. It was actually the latter that led to me realising it was offensive, as it was screamed in the same way that N* LOVER!!! was hurled at us.

I'm not proud of being brought up so ignorant that I had to ask my best mate aged 13 what word I should use instead, because I knew the proper words to describe somebody who was black/Jamaican/African, but I didn't have a clue what I should use for her. She answered without showing hurt or offence that 'if you know for sure where someone comes from, say Pakistani, if you don't, Indian'.

Had there been a kid at my secondary school with the surname Shetty, though, there's no doubt that they would have been called Shitty instead of anything directly racist. Anybody who had the name Tucker would have been called Fucker - and we all know Jeremy Hunt's misspoken surname.

She grew up not just ignorant, but with somebody who quite clearly was racist and, bring an addict, would have been even more likely to be verbally abusive as a means of attack being the best defence. How could she not have learned from that? It was noticeable at the time that the one from S Club 7 came across as far more intelligent and manipulative, too - the type of person who, as a kid, would wind up the less bright and watch the result.

It's not an excuse, but the comparison might be useful, as whilst it is blatantly obvious now those things should never be said, if you were dragged up in poverty in horrible circumstances in the 70s/80s, you learned horrible things without knowing they were horrible unless somebody walloped the speaker or you heard it in a threatening context - it was only in the 90s that (shit) schools became proactive in teaching inclusion and stamping out racism.

It was easier to pick on the less educated, easily manipulated woman with a background of casual racism and verbal/physical abuse (who incidentally happened to have a sex offender with a fondness for less intelligent girls as an agent) than look at all of their behaviour.

ReTooth · 23/08/2019 10:47

I watched the three episodes with one of my daughters and we had to keep pausing it as we had to keep discussing the issues raised. I thought the documentary was well made and balanced.
I don't know what I think if Jade. I felt sorry for her but I thought she was nasty and racist too. I felt a lot more dislike for the producers of the show and for the newspapers. They behaved awfully.

Divinia and Dermot came over very badly. They clearly loved the scandals but pretended to be sympathetic. They were just awful.
The bullying and racism were awful but I thought it strange that other people have said awful racist things too but got away with it. Boris Johnson's 'letterbox' comment is an example.

Mrsjayy · 23/08/2019 10:56

I don't know what else to say Mitzk but thank you for saying all that because yes to it all.

Moodyfoodie · 23/08/2019 11:43

The reality star who changed the world was actually quite an apt title, I thought. Seeing the Wright's and Towie cast at her wedding made me think she paved the way for all that. Would Towie have existed if it wasn't for her? I wondered if something was needed after she had gone to fill that gap. She was the first reality person to make real money and how many have followed since.

I wonder what she would be doing now, almost 40. Would she have gone down the Kerry Katona and Katie Price route and lost the plot a bit or would she have been savvy and carved a real career? She'd be one of the Loose Women I reckon.

So sad all round.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 23/08/2019 18:04

I echo MrsJay and think your post is exceptional, Mitzk Star

spey2 · 23/08/2019 18:23

MitzK you put it all so well in your post! I completely agree

FabulouslyGlamorousFerret · 23/08/2019 18:39

@MitziK ... yes!!!!

Boris Johnson's comments regarding 'picaninis' and 'watermelon smiles' are worse - and he's out PM!

Jade was a part of a 'mean girl' club towards Shilpa Shetty which was horrid.

The documentary made me cry 😢

HelenaDove · 24/08/2019 00:42

Yes it is amazing what middle class men can get away with.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/3672605-Man-who-filmed-Grenfell-Tower-effigy-cleared-after-key-evidence-hidden

HelenaDove · 24/08/2019 00:43

The excuses made for them and what they did using free speech as an argument.

HelenaDove · 24/08/2019 00:56

Talking of reality TV ITV are giving Jeremy Kyle another show

Kyle refuses to appear before Parliament

ITVs response? Here................have another show

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 24/08/2019 09:42

That's disgraceful, HelenaDove. If he can't be thrown in prison then into complete obscurity should be his just desserts. Vile man.

I wonder how many MNers will be watching it? It's really sad but he's a draw for so many who love to watch his programmes - and then pontificate how bad they are.

VikVal · 24/08/2019 10:12

@Bezalelle

Ever heard of privilege? So am I privileged that my white kids have been attacked for being white? Or I was spat at and called white filth? Come and live in some parts of London and see what privileged means...you absolute ignorant fool! Anyone can be racially abused, this privileged nonsense is utter BS!

@jamoncrumpet
proven racist? She said one silly thing and she's a proven racist? Diane Abbott has repeatedly said silly things...I bet you don't class her as a proven racist...oh wait we have to tolerate that because of privilege or something...

VikVal · 24/08/2019 10:58

@HelenaDove

This is the problem, there is a class privilege that exists in pretty much every single country, what pisses me off is this whole race privilege. I mean even in times of the colonial empire, life in Britain was trash for the average person, especially women, only the upper classes benefited. Sure there are more privileged white males than others...shock we live in a white majority country where that privilege for males existed for centuries...Just as there are more privileged Indian males in India, or Nigerian males in Nigeria. The point is there is a class system in place still here in Britain and that's the privilege. When ignorant people in this thread go on about white privilege, believe me, I'm yet to experience it! I'm sure many millions are also yet to experience it considering there's a good 9 million families that rely on benefits as 50% of their income, I guess they're all non white, correct? Sorry to derail the thread, but that absolutely gets to me as someone who has many times been on the receiving end of racial abuse from non whites and the police/school doing nothing when my children have been attacked for same reason.

Mrsjayy · 24/08/2019 11:32

I bet JK has a contract with ITV and it is probably less hassle to give him a new series of Kyle files than risk paying him more money

Goldensummer · 24/08/2019 16:58

I watched the last part of the documentary and found it very sad, especially considering there were two innocent boys involved.

"Is she mummy jade or mummy angel yet?" 😞

MrsPellegrinoPetrichor · 24/08/2019 18:03

I feel so sorry for her children, one is a teen,imagine going into school Sad

HelenaDove · 24/08/2019 19:04

YY Vik i had to put this on the other thread when someone pointed out that Jade wasnt prosecuted but Bussetti was.

But Bussetti and his friends wernt as vilified by the general public as she was.

Ive seen all sorts of mental gymnastics performed on his behalf such as the free speech card being played.

In court he got away with saying the ninja comment was nothing to do with the Grenfell residents but a nick name for his son.

Do you think people would have been so ready to believe Jade if she had said the poppadum comment wasnt about Shilpa?

And he also got away with saying the paper figures in the paper tower were NOT the Grenfell residents but him and his friends, (which is how the narrative got changed that the ninja comment wasnt aimed at Grenfell residents) despite the fact that someone could/can clearly be heard in that video saying "this is what happens when you dont pay your rent"

Racism is racism FULL STOP. It shouldnt matter what class the racist is percieved to be from But apparently in the UK it does!

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