If you voted Leave, did you/do you want 'no deal'?

[KennDodd]

No arguments or even debates about Brexit, not wanting to start a fight, just want to count the numbers in a very unscientific manner.
It seems any deal at all is quickly falling off the table, never mind the easiest deal in history.

If you voted Leave , do you want 'no deal'?

Excellent news for all you people who like having no deal - there's more to come! US is now threatening UK with no deal! Who needs deals anyway! 😉
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/31/brexit-mess-with-good-friday-and-well-block-uk-trade-deal-us-politicians-warn

Mother I took ds back to the UK at the weekend. I have to drive past the Evere/Zaventem junction where you have people doing the 5 lane cross over to exit without indicating from the left, and then trying to merge from the right. I ended wagging my finger at one sod who was trying to get in front of me from the left from behind a lorry two lanes over. Garr. The M25 is an oasis of consideration by comparison.

I grow more lettuces than I can eat. It’s actually really easy to grow everyone could grow their own if they wanted to even a couple of pots of mixed leafs on a windowsill.

We actually have quite a few unused commercial greenhouses that need fixing up and can be brought back into life a lot of the chilli heads are snapping them up. Locally a massive new greenhouse has been erected on previously unused farmers land. Looks like the farmers around here anyway where making plans. All our allotments are now full with waiting lists in operation.

Digging for victory?

No harm in people actually knowing how to grow their own surely. We are breeding a nation of children who have no idea and just think food comes from Tesco with no thought as to how it gets there. Much cheaper to own a few raspberry plants than pay £2 per tiny tub as well. My children will of eaten £100’s worth of fruits from my crops this year that grow back year after year with minimal maintenance. Make our own cordial from the fruits as well.

We have got lazy and wanting everything the second we want it with no thought to the process behind it.

@Madfrogs as keen as I am on growing my own, and while I agree that people should look at opportunities to do so (particularly where they can educate their children about it), a food supply crisis brought about by No Deal is not the way to do it.

@Madfrogs

How big is your plot 😂 because to actually grow enough to sustain a family requires a big space.

I grow my own but only for fun. My broad bean plants didn’t do great so only managed enough for two meals 🤦🏻‍♀️

Not that huge, I also grow in the garden and plot holders share their surplus. I’ve got freezer draws full of berries and currants, still got sweet corn from last year. What I’m lacking in this year is chillis. Far too many eggs 😂 although that works great for swapping for things.

Potatoes last year was our issue broad beans on site have been in huge abundance this year.

It might not fully sustain but it goes a good way to taking pressure away from the shops. What we can’t or don’t grow we tend to buy direct from the local farmers.

Intrigued that so many people are all for No Deal. Presumably despite the fact that you might lose your job? An estimated 3 million Jobs will be lost. Including my own most likely (self-employed).

If you're genuinely ok with this, then fair enough I guess.

Leavers should prefer a deal, but it has to be a good deal. It has to be good enough for UK and EU. May's deal wasn't good for the UK, it was terrible, so I'm thankful we didn't get that.

This "taking no deal off the table" stuff is largely Remain in disguise, and it's utterly transparent, or possibly Leavers that have lost their bottle. No sane person would enter a negotiation without one of their most threatening cards to play. Imagine selling your house, there's only one interested buyer, and the first thing you tell them is that need to sell by the end of the month under any circumstances. How's that going to go?

But we can''t bluff this. We voted leave and we do need to leave, and in order to stand any chance of negotiating a good deal, we need to be prepared to leave without a deal if it comes to it.

@Madfrogs you do know that not everyone has a garden, right? Well done and all that but not realistic.

You don't need a garden to grow though - I have a big house in UK, but only patios. I can manage with a couple of growbags to produce what seems like unending courgettes and tomatoes.

If I have pots of herbs like mint, rosemary, thyme and basil, I can keep them going (and the hardier herbs over the winter) so I am saving money there.

I also bought locally, so used a food hub, local farmers, honey from the NDNs etc. Cuts the food miles down as well. It will be a nice change to going back to doing this when we move back this year, as opposed to the supermarket shopping in Belgium.

I know this. And I would encourage everyone to give it a go. But it is not an excuse to No Deal. At All.

Nobody is saying it’s an excuse to no deal but they are such tiny things you can do to help your own pocket and eat fresh. If it serves as a reminder and kick up the arse to support local and grow your own where possible that is a small positive in my eyes.

I think people are not realising that we will have a deal with the EU, like it or not.

Logically it makes perfect sense. Countries which are not part of the EU have trading deals with the EU....

So why wouldn’t we?

As for growing vegetables - it’s such a short period of the year.

Plus it is actually not that cheap to grow.what happens if you don’t have a decent garden, can’t afford to buy compost or pots etc??

4 million people are in poverty in the UK. It’s disgusting. Growing vegetables won’t help.

@Madfrogs , I'm a general prepper, you are preaching to the converted. But even suggesting there is an upside to No Deal is ridiculous. Unless that upside is me watching chickens come home to roost with all these No Deal loons who won't be able to feed themselves.
This is not WWII . We do not need to do this to ourselves.

If I have to feed my family on the proceeds of my gardening endeavours we shall bloody starve - despite trying hard to grow food, the other beasts in the garden were beneficiaries - I can cook anything - but growing stuff is a mystery! Farmers are the experts I'm happy to leave it to them...I don't expect them to be good at my job either.

Iggly Other non EU countries who have deals with the EU aren't trying to leave! we have to be seen to be made an example of 'pour encourager les autres' to remain.

it's interesting watching the modus operanda with the Swiss...a relationship that has been fine for years now has to be 'tidied up' in favour of what Brussels (aka the Commission) wants, and seeks to impose rule taking on a non EU member state outwith that the Swiss already take via EFTA. The Commission cannot leave well enough alone.

For those leavers who want no deal, you cannot then claim the EU is being vindictive or bullying when you get what you want.

I don't think Boris is even going to bother. No deal is the aim and they will dress it up as the EU's fault.

@oldwhyno
The scenario you have painted re selling a house doesn't work. If you walk away from a deal selling your house, you walk back to the house, back to the status quo, nothing has changed for you. We've set fire to the house and are negotiating while it's burning down, our no deal is staying in the house we've just burnt down.

I voted Remain but am praying for no deal now.
It reminds me of the anxiety about the millennium bug in 1999; all sorts of doomsday predictions but we woke up in 2000 and precisely nothing had changed.
But this may have been because of all the prepping and planning behind the scenes.

why are you praying for a no deal?

oh, another poster who is desperate for no deal but cant even begin to explain why.