If you voted Leave, did you/do you want 'no deal'?

[KennDodd]

No arguments or even debates about Brexit, not wanting to start a fight, just want to count the numbers in a very unscientific manner.
It seems any deal at all is quickly falling off the table, never mind the easiest deal in history.

If you voted Leave , do you want 'no deal'?

Leave no deal.

Anyone who thought you could vote leave and get to pick a version of leave was led up the garden path by their own stupidity.

The default leave is no deal.

@Motheroffourdragons it was promised to be a once in a generation vote for Scotland, although a generation is generally thought of as a period of time, i think the people of Scotland may well argue that the brexit vote highlighted that they are part of a different political generation to the English and therefore they should have another vote.

I would also be interested to hear the stats on how many countries were handed their independence via a vote vs the number that took it for themselves. I think its wrong that a country, or individual for that matter, needs the permission of another to be recognised and operate as an independent state or individual person

@SilverySurfer

OP, why have you asked this question?

I was talking to a leave voter irl recently who insisted that everyone who voted Leave voted wanting no deal and they knew that's what they would get. I disagreed and said lots of people would have voted Leave wanting other options such as Norway EEA etc that were talked about before the referendum (unlike no deal which according to Newsnight last night was never mentioned).

I thought I would check what MN thought

Another 'survey' I want to do is ask people irl if they knew about the issues around the border in Ireland and possible impact on the peace before the referendum. Most posters on a MN thread a while ago insisted everyone knew and it was widely discussed. I disagree.

29/5 (?)

So according to my 'survey' not sure who's right, me or the Leave voter I was speaking to. Obviously when someone says everyone in a conversation like that, they don't mean every single person who voted Leave, they do mean the overwhelming majority though. 29/5 is a big majority in favour of 'no deal' don't think I'd describe it as overwhelming though. From the posts few seemed to want it from the start, most want a deal but prefer no deal to Remain. A few now want to Remain. Not sure my 'research' counts for very much in reality.

@KennDodd , this has been an interesting thread. Thanks for starting it. Pretty shocking to see that there is little or no appetite for compromise (with notable exceptions) to the point where majority of Leave supporters on here now seem to think that No Deal is the only version of Leave.
Gulp.

I hadn't heard anything about the NI issues before the referendum. It certainly wasn't widely discussed. I would not have voted leave if it had been.

Agree that I don't remember the NI border issues discussed before the referendum - why?

I don’t recall hearing anything about NI prior to the referendum. It just wasn’t important enough to those giving out the information in their minds remain or leave.

Went on about NI on here all the time before the referendum. It was clearly Faridge's weak point and he knew it. Every time it got mentioned in front of him he shouted it down with "not giving into terrorism " bullshit. And yet it's ok to threaten violence if Be Leavers don't get their way.

I agree the NI issue wasn’t discussed much prior to the referendum, not by either side.

As I said earlier, I am a Remain voter but am sick of the whole thing. I now want them to just get on with it and then see what happens after that.

There will either be loads of people saying “I told you so” when life stays the same or gets better.

Or

Civil unrest when food, medicines start to run out or decline in quality,

I know which option I prefer and it’s the first one,

I’d be happy to be told “I told you so” especially as my Dad is dependent upon insulin which we don’t produce and can’t stockpile very easily. Likewise people being able to get their cancer scans because again we need specific products for this which we don’t produce and can’t stockpile.

I want to think this will be a good opportunity for Britain to begin producing its own goods again. I hope I am right,

bellinisurge

Remianers forget just how poor the remain campaign was.

It was based on insults and that will never go down well

You may have "went on" about NI on here, but very few remainers did, the vast majority where very happy to extol how they believed that leavers were thick, racist, scum, and lets be honest this is as far as some have ever got.

My little group of leavers were never against FoM, or trading with the EU, but wanted to be removed from the ever increasing intertwining of politics that was going to continue.

Nope. I didn't call Leavers racist scum or whatever. I suppose you only see what you look for.

Think that works both ways

bellinisurge
Nope. I didn't call Leavers racist scum or whatever. I suppose you only see what you look for.

I said the vast majority, didn't mention you, but then to quote you

"I suppose you only see what you look for."

Glad to see you are taking the grown up approach to our national problems.

My little group of leavers were never against FoM, or trading with the EU, but wanted to be removed from the ever increasing intertwining of politics that was going to continue.

Does that mean they were/would be in favour of cu + sm option?

I heard a commentator a while ago saying 52/48 was only ever a mandate for a very soft Brexit.

bellinisurge

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of your words.

And your snappy little comebacks are certainly not painting you in a mature and sensible light.

KennDodd

Part of the issue with Brexit has always been that not every brexiteer wants a hard or no deal brexit.

What has happened through social media, the newspapers and parliament is that only two sides (apparently) now exist.

But the truth is that there are still many people out there that would be happy with a trade deal/customs union etc. with the EU.

I don't remember anything being said about Northern Ireland or the GFA in the run up to the referendum.

After the referendum, I remember Theresa May saying, "No deal is better than a bad deal, " but I don't remember anybody saying No deal was what people were voting for at the time. It's all such a mess.

I notice that twat David Cameron is keeping a low profile these days.This is all his fault and I hope nobody buys his stupid book.

Remianers forget just how poor the remain campaign was.

Poor? Well, they didn’t plaster attention-grabbing lies all over large vehicles I suppose.

It was all Project Fear, apparently. Apart from the fact it’s all happening now.

I heard nothing about NI either. No leaflets through my door for either leave or remain. I wasn't on mumsnet then either and no one talked politics in my family or social circle.

I don't remember anything being said about Northern Ireland or the GFA in the run up to the referendum.

Sure they did - they were just dismissed as fear mongering.

Theresa May herself in fact highlighted the issue: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-365878

Oh, and another couple here:
www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/09/tony-blair-and-john-major-brexit-would-close-irish-border

Just because many failed to inform themselves before voting doesn’t mean the info wasn’t there...

Spotted by another poster. Check the date.