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British IS girl has had her baby

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BrizzleMint · 17/02/2019 17:55

She's had her baby - a son.

Cabinet minister Jeremy Wright told BBC's Andrew Marr programme that the baby's nationality was "not straightforward".

The culture secretary, who was previously attorney general, said the first priority was establishing the health of her and her baby.

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CameliaCamelia · 17/02/2019 18:22

Groomed my arse!! So are all teenagers that runaway/do drugs/take up sex work etc etc 'groomed' or just making risky decisions?

She knew what she was doing.... we are all occasionally led astray but 'groomed'? It's becoming an overused word

Tomtontom · 17/02/2019 18:22

We all know she’s going to be brought back, she won’t end up facing any charges.

Please don't speak for all of us. I'm certain that the security services will already be investigating her, and will continue to do so if she returns.

slipperywhensparticus · 17/02/2019 18:23

The Hitler youth was compulsory for aryans at one point

CameliaCamelia · 17/02/2019 18:24

kinghenry hope that's still your attitude when one of her bombs takes out innocent people....could be someone close to you

But hey yes, let's show 'mercy' eh?

lljkk · 17/02/2019 18:25

I want her to come back so she can face legal process.

Asta19 · 17/02/2019 18:26

What about all the other babies in refugee camps because of ISIS, who’s mothers did nothing wrong? If she was willing to hand the baby over to be brought back here without her, fair enough. But she doesn’t want that. She apparently even thinks she should be allowed to raise this child here herself!

Gottalovesummer · 17/02/2019 18:26

I think it's a very difficult and divisive case. Certainly in my household we've had some lively debate about her.

I personally believe she has been groomed and probably brainwashed. However, her comments about not having regrets do her no favours at all.

Should her age be taken into account?

It's a real dilemma and I have no idea how this will be resolved.

slipperywhensparticus · 17/02/2019 18:28

She is 19 an adult

MyDcAreMarvel · 17/02/2019 18:30

She is 19 now but she was 15 at the time. Anyone who doesn’t think she was groomed should read some research into the developing brain. Which btw is still not mature at 19.

HackAttack · 17/02/2019 18:30

If a child is led by an adult into any form of trafficking or abuse then yes, it is grooming. For context if two fifteen year olds get drunk/engage in sexual activity/criminal activity then it is a stupid choice not grooming. By contrast if an adult influences and leads the choice then it is grooming.

Shamima was indeed groomed. I have very mixed feelings on the situation in that a 15 year old being led over to the situation she is in is obviously a tragedy. If she were to return I would expect deradicalisation as a matter of course and any criminal charges appropriate.

gamerwidow · 17/02/2019 18:30

So are all teenagers that runaway/do drugs/take up sex work etc etc 'groomed' or just making risky decisions?
Are you actually saying that children can decide to take up sex work of their own back? Confused

gamerwidow · 17/02/2019 18:32

Bring her home, investigate her crimes and prosecute if appropriate. When she’s served her sentence(if guilty) she should be allowed to remain in the UK if she chooses like every other British citizen who commits criminal acts.

Asta19 · 17/02/2019 18:34

*We all know she’s going to be brought back, she won’t end up facing any charges.

Please don't speak for all of us. I'm certain that the security services will already be investigating her, and will continue to do so if she returns*

She said it herself. They have no “evidence” that she was anything other than a housewife. On the other thread someone posted statistics on how many returnees actually went to prison. It wasn’t many.

And as for the “security services” do you think they have endless resources to monitor all these people? I’ve had dealings with SO15 through my work. They are obviously highly secretive, as they need to be. But I do know from them just how many resources it takes to monitor someone, and they have a budget they need to stick too like many other departments.

moofolk · 17/02/2019 18:37

She needs to be allowed home. Whatever you think of the choices she made; whether she's a terrorist or a victim of grooming, she is a British citizen.

The government can't have it both ways. They have just deported to Jamaica a plane load of people who have lived in this country for 40-odd years, some since being so young they don't remember living anywhere else, on the basis that they are not 'really' British, because they have been convicted of some crime or other.

Logically and legally (and IMO morally) then they have to allow this girl, and her baby, back.

JellycatElfie · 17/02/2019 18:37

If people are worried about the baby I ask...

What about our babies? What about the children who have been killed in terror attacks in the uk?

She made a choice.. I want my children growing up safely as possible

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BrizzleMint · 17/02/2019 18:38

The Hitler youth was compulsory for aryans at one point

What has that got to do with it? She was either groomed or made her own independent decision to travel to Syria, not joining a compulsory organisation.

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slipperywhensparticus · 17/02/2019 18:39

As far as I understand it if she shows up we have to let her in but we don't have to go and get her

slipperywhensparticus · 17/02/2019 18:40

I was answering someone else's question about how we felt about someone joining the Hitler youth then the ss

CameliaCamelia · 17/02/2019 18:41

Where's her family in all this? Have they got anything to say or are they on their way over to get her?

Tomtontom · 17/02/2019 18:42

She said it herself. They have no “evidence” that she was anything other than a housewife.

That's up to the security services to decide, not her and not you or I.

She has a right to return to the UK. Should she get here she should then be subject to our criminal justice system just as anyone else is.

LanaorAna2 · 17/02/2019 18:45

No one knows if she's still radicalised - ie up for a few murders - or not. So SS will take the baby pretty quick.

I can't see what the problem is keeping her and DS in the camp until she goes on trial - they can fly her back for that, remove the baby and lock her up or not as the jury decides. What did she do with her other 2 kids - are they lost or dead or still with Isis?

The baby may be automatically British, which will make it easier for SS to act ie remove.

CameliaCamelia · 17/02/2019 18:45

Your average housewife isn't a bit 'meh' about seeing a severed head in a bin !

Let's see if she tips up or not

MancaroniCheese · 17/02/2019 18:46

How would she even get in to the country?

She flew out on her sister's passport I believe so can't fly back in on that. She was 15 then but is 19 now so would need an adult passport and a passport for her child, so would need birth certificates etc.

I don't think a civil servant is going to rock up with that lot and bring her back in somehow.

gamerwidow · 17/02/2019 18:46

what did she do with the other 2 kids
They are dead one in a bombing and one of illness I think.

Al2O3 · 17/02/2019 18:49

This is a groomed , brainwashed, sexual abused child we are talking about.

Lol. Like you have all the facts. She maybe partly that. She may also be partly evil. Partly permanently brainwashed. And also a committed terrorist.

My money is on the latter.

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