Active discussions

Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Talk
Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Original poster

British IS girl has had her baby

395 replies

BrizzleMint · 17/02/2019 17:55

She's had her baby - a son.

Cabinet minister Jeremy Wright told BBC's Andrew Marr programme that the baby's nationality was "not straightforward".

The culture secretary, who was previously attorney general, said the first priority was establishing the health of her and her baby.

OP posts:
findingmyfeet12 · 17/02/2019 21:12

You keep talking about the choices of the parents not the choices of the baby.

Why would her baby coming here mean that he had more rights than your children?

Her baby has the same rights as any other British baby.

Do you think we should be allowed to deport foreign criminals or illegal immigrants?

Justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld · 17/02/2019 21:25

If the baby comes here with her, he will have more rights than our children, because his right to live here supercedes the right to keep a terrorist supporting wack job, who left voluntarily, out of the country. I'd far rather offer shelter to a child whose parents have been killed or displaced by IS. Also, of course the choices of the parents are relevant as are the choices that any parent makes relevant to a child's life outcome, that's why the majority of us, consider the needs of our children when making choices. This woman wanted to live under IS, that is incompatible with living in the UK. If she does come back, she should be locked up for crimes against humanity IMO and the baby adopted.

Justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld · 17/02/2019 21:29

and yes to the second part of your question. We have an asylum system and if you break the law in a new country, why should you continue to have the gift of living there? I would expect the same standards to be applied to me also. My Grandfather fled the Nazis btw, before you start.

tenredthings · 17/02/2019 21:32

Call me cynical but I think this story is timed. Brexit is a disaster so here is an emotive story which gets Isis onto every front page and talk show so we all remember about terorism and dont kick off about the fact that we are having our free movement stolen from us under the guise of protecting us from the foreign baddies !

AppleKatie · 17/02/2019 21:38

Chose to have a baby?

How many 19 year old child brides of ISIS have the autonomy to make decisions about their own bodies?

Nobody rational would have made the choice to go. At 15 she shouldn’t have been allowed to go on holiday to Spain with her mates never mind the reality of what happened to her.

4 years of which the first half she was not a legal adult in the UK. Plus whatever grooming and radicalisation took place before she left presumably beginning from when she was a young teen and before.

She is as much a victim as anyone else.

KingHenrysCodpiece · 17/02/2019 21:44

Agree tenred.

Newbuild · 17/02/2019 21:46

Victim? She went searching for isis, she said the videos of beheadings on the news attracted her to go there... she said seeing her first severed head ‘didn’t faze her’
There are many victims in this situation, she is not up there imo.

YouBumder · 17/02/2019 21:47

Besides the fact the baby’s birth couldn’t be timed, I wouldn’t be at all surprised, tenred. We’ve certainly been talking about this more than Brexit over the past few days

Justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld · 17/02/2019 21:47

Bullshit Apple. She was an intelligent girl, who was able to plan and execute a difficult journey. She knew what the protocol was re marriage and kids, she was not one of the fist to go over. She made her choice and desires very clear in the interviews she has given.

AppleKatie · 17/02/2019 21:48

At 15. She didn’t just get on a plane with a map did she? She’d been groomed and radicalised.

She has been living as a young unprotected women amongst isis for years. I don’t think anything she says can be trusted as truth. Stokholm syndrome/fear are powerful things.

findingmyfeet12 · 17/02/2019 21:50

She has broken Syrian law so if they deport her we would be hard placed to refuse her entry.

Justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld · 17/02/2019 21:50

To wail about her lack of bodily autonomy and call her a victim is an insult to people like this[ www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/oct/06/nadia-murad-isis-sex-slave-nobel-peace-prize] Apple.

YouBumder · 17/02/2019 21:51

I don’t think anything she says can be trusted as truth

Including the statement that she just wants to come here and live quietly with her child?

Justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld · 17/02/2019 21:51

I will never agree with you Apple, so stop trying to convince me.

Justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld · 17/02/2019 21:52

Yes, Bumder, that included.

findingmyfeet12 · 17/02/2019 21:53

I'm not interested in whether she was a victim right now.

I'm just intrigued by the number of people who think it's ok for us to refuse her entry to the UK but would want other countries to take their criminals back.

I'm also intrigued by the dismissive tones used when talking about a blameless newborn British baby.

SomethingOnce · 17/02/2019 21:53

Is it uncharitable to want DNA evidence that she’s the mother of the baby?

AppleKatie · 17/02/2019 21:55

Including the statement that she just wants to come here and live quietly with her child?

Yes.

I will never agree with you Apple, so stop trying to convince me.

Hmm I’m not trying to convince you, you are patently entrenched in your pitchfork views.

I do however, think that hearing the compassionate voice is essential to threads like this.

A witch-hunt is not dignified.

ChariotsofFish · 17/02/2019 22:00

Fuck me, people really aren’t committed to the rule of law are they? If you don’t expect international law to be upheld in this case, don’t expect it to be upheld when it’s you or your child that needs it.

She’s British. Even if you don’t like that because she’s not white, she’s British. At least one of her parents has British citizenship. She was born here. Her baby is almost certainly British by descent. He may have a claim to Dutch citizenship, but since the father surrendered to Kurdish fighters, he’s not in a strong position to pop down to the embassy and register that he’s the father. People suggesting they get Syrian or ISIS citizenship are just really thick. The parents have been in Syria as enemy combatants. ISIS has no territory. This mother and child are Britain’s responsibility.

Justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld · 17/02/2019 22:01

Yes you are, as demonstrated by your reference to 'pitchfork views' I have not said she should be harmed (unlike IS did to many) but that she has made her bed and that both she and her baby should lie in it. There is a difference between compassion and being a psuedo philosphical virtue signalling twunt.

ChariotsofFish · 17/02/2019 22:04

Happy to sacrifice a day old baby to your pitchfork. Classy.

findingmyfeet12 · 17/02/2019 22:04

She's made her bed so she and the baby should lie in it?

The same could be said for a lot of babies that SS step in and help.

What is different about her baby?

Justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld · 17/02/2019 22:04

She could be whiter than white and I still wouldn't want her here. She didn't give to pins for Syria's rule of law and only wants to come 'home' which she left voluntarily, because it's not so fun/ comfy anymore. I would rather offer shelter to a child whose parents were killed by IS or families who were displaced by them. Race has nothing to do with this, it's just easier for you to shoot people down, if you try to make it so.

Justheretogiveaviewfrommyworld · 17/02/2019 22:05

two pins

Andylion · 17/02/2019 22:06

Can anyone tell me about the way in which she was groomed? Is there a reliable link I can read?

Swipe left for the next trending thread