British IS girl has had her baby

[BrizzleMint]

She's had her baby - a son.

Cabinet minister Jeremy Wright told BBC's Andrew Marr programme that the baby's nationality was "not straightforward".

The culture secretary, who was previously attorney general, said the first priority was establishing the health of her and her baby.

SinkGirl I agree with you. Mind control cults operate similarly. She became a victim as a child. She has lost 2 children at such a young age. Married young. Gave birth in a warzone. This has definitely got to scar someone! She named the baby after the son she lost. Don't look into meanings of names that's silly. David, Mathew and John are all popular names. Are you telling me that there is not one serial killer or rapist in history who had those names? If Shamima grew up in Bangladesh, maybe she wouldn't have become an extremist.
Britain has something to do with this.
Britain's border security and education system was so weak that a teenager was radicalised and left. 15 year olds/year 9 students are known to go through a major psychological transition at that age! Many schools send their 15 year olds to a separate campus or have special programs for them due to their vulnerable age!
She should be tried as a minor and given the necessary help to become deradicalized. Maajid Nawaz wasn't stripped of his citizenship. He was deradicalized and became a weapon against radicals. He was an adult.
Shamima's dad being in Bangladesh is unrelated. She has family in Britain. She grew up there. I think refugees can be stripped of citizenship for committing this kind of crime but people being radicalised in Britain are Britain's problem. She will probably get attacked by the public if she returns to Britain and she may just lead a life of luxury if she returns to Bangladesh. Fill me in. Did she personally behead or torture anyone? I don't think stripping her of her citizenship will deter others.
She left as a child. Forced into adulthood too soon. Lost children which would mess any mother up.
Have any of you spoken to an Iraqi or Afghani about 22 casualties at Manchester bombings? Im sure they sympathised but Im sure their extended families have been killed in bombings back home. What are their casualties like? 200 one day and 40 the next and so on. All lives matter! When this young girl was asked about deaths, she sounded like a war affected person when she eventually said she thinks its normal. Loss has become her normal! Do you expect her to fall apart on tv? Not everyone publicly falls apart. Especially not in her circumstance.
I think she needs help. Should be tried as a child.

also, have any of the haters given interviews in late 3rd trimester and straight after giving birth and acted as you normally would?? some of the questions asked after she gave birth were just odd.

'forced into adulthood too soon'...
Forced by nobody. Stole sisters passport, turned her back on her family and home country and went off on a beheading adventure where a life of violence and abhorrent activity was what she wanted. Not boring sixth form marrying a nice local boy in London. Not uni. Not a job. Instead, stoning, raping, torturing.
Despite that, she's safe in a camp with food, shelter, medical care, water and access to talk rubbi to the world's media. She's done OK out of it.

She was forced. She got caught up in a cult. Like sinkGirl said, she was groomed. It's very easy to get brainwashed. She made a decision when she was 15. Are you happy with all the decisions you made at that age? I am aware that several 15 year olds steal their older sibling's ID and go to clubs whilst underage. Teens will be teens. However, she was exposed to the wrong crew and that happens. When you are in a religious cult, it's very difficult to think rationally. She didn't consciously make the decision she made.
I'm sure no one wants to speak to the media straight after giving birth answering those ridiculous questions that were asked.

I don't think calling people haters really fits when talking about people concerned about a terrorist returning to the country after years of radicalisation and ties to many notorious jihadis.
Also saying teens will be teens is a ridiculous notion in this instance, so is likening flying to a war zone to be a bride of isis comparable to going to a nightclub underage!**

We’re the questions ridiculous though?

She was asked whether she feel she made her family suffer, she was asked how she felt about the torture and beheadings, she was asked how she felt about the Manchester bombing. None of the questions were out of place. She didn’t have to answer any of them, I suppose she wanted to because she saw it as her ticket home.

I feel sorry for the girl who was groomed at 15, but I don’t feel sorry for the woman she’s turned into. There must have been enough opportunities for her to see IS for what it is, but she still has her sympathies with them.

Improve

15 is not Yr 9. 15yr olds start the academic year in Yr 11. By the end of it most will be 16. I can remember when 75% of the population left school at 15, the end of Yr 10, and were working full-time. If she's 19 now in Feb and left the UK at 15 in Dec she must have been only a few weeks short of 16, like her 2 friends. It weakens your argument when you exaggerate and make out that she was more of a child than she actually was.

I disagree with you anyway because ime it'd be an extremely unusual Yr 11 who would have done what she did, and not be 'fazed' at the sight of severed heads. She knew what the regime was like before she left.

10 is the age of criminal responsibility when it's presumed the child knows the difference between right and wrong. She was way beyond this and, by all accounts, was of above average intelligence at school.

I'm afraid that she was not a 'normal' teenager even before the radicalisation. It's impossible to empathise with some who has no empathy.

Improve... this is the most extreme version of a religious cult there has ever been....

This cult has commited genocide, practiced sex slavery,slave markets! Can any reader, poster on here imagine one Day being at home normally the next your shackled in foul conditions being sold off to Vile violent jihadis! And your daughter's...
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I just wonder why anyone can minimise what this... cult has done...the havoc they have wrecked and pain.

I don't get it.

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David, Mathew and John are all popular names. Are you telling me that there is not one serial killer or rapist in history who had those names

But you wouldn’t idolise these people.

You would be under scrutiny by SS if you named your dd Myra because you thought Myra Hindley was an absolutely great woman.

Well Jeremy Corbyn wants to welcome her back to ask her questions and give her support..

She could be useful actually. As much as we hate her and what she did and how she's acting, she might actually have vital info.

On another thread it's been discussed and it's made me stop and think a bit.

Take all the emotion out of it and look at what we have..... through her..... some insight into isis background and how they operate

She's named the baby after an islamic war lord apparently

GQ magazine:

"According to the Mail, the Sun and the Express, Begum named him Jarrah after a seventh century “jihadi warlord” (who was in fact a general and statesman who had never had the adjective jihadi applied to him until this day). According to the Mirror, the word Jarrah means “one who wounds."

"In fact, the word Jarrah in Arabic means “vessel”. "

Yes I saw that corybn wants to give her support.

Another fabulous photo op for him, another Great platform for him too grandstand on.

What a legend he is [sceptical]

Another fabulous photo op for him, another Great platform for him too grandstand on

But Savid Javid isn't 'grandstanding?' too funny

Yay Corbyns piped up, so to be clear
Israel- should be destroyed
ISIS- misunderstood

.....hmmm

Jeremy Corbyn (who I am no fan of) has said nothing of the kind.

Unlike Javid, his comments are moderate and reasonable:

"She obviously has in my view a right to return to Britain. On that return she must face a lot of questions about everything she's done. And at that point any action may or may not be taken."

www.itv.com/news/2019-02-21/jeremy-corbyn-tells-itv-news-the-home-office-decision-to-strip-shamima-begum-of-uk-citizenship-is-very-extreme-move/

He said she should get the “support that she needs”....the amount of people in this country being failed by the lack of support and money, and we are supposed to waste resources on this woman! Hell no!

I'm sure JC would not support the austerity agenda that leads to so many people losing out. You cannot blame him for that.

His comments are reasonable.