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British IS girl has had her baby

395 replies

BrizzleMint · 17/02/2019 17:55

She's had her baby - a son.

Cabinet minister Jeremy Wright told BBC's Andrew Marr programme that the baby's nationality was "not straightforward".

The culture secretary, who was previously attorney general, said the first priority was establishing the health of her and her baby.

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Hollowvictory · 20/02/2019 07:39

Exactly, she's not British she's had her citizenship taken. So she is categorically not coming back here. So she is not our problem. What is our problem is radicalisation. Hopefully this case will be a deterrent to other stupid teenagers who fancy doing a bit of beheading.

CameliaCamelia · 20/02/2019 07:40

Thank fuck the evil that is this 'Begum' monster is no longer our problem

Using Britain as a base is all they did.... Bangladesh is more important to them do they might as well all move there and join her!

MadCatEnthusiast · 20/02/2019 07:44

Using Britain as a base is all they did.... Bangladesh is more important to them do they might as well all move there and join her!

Are you telling them to all go back where they came from? Hmm

ReflectentMonatomism · 20/02/2019 08:04

Are you telling them to all go back where they came from?

The father lives in Bangladesh. The daughter lives in Syria. They are hardly demonstrating their close ties to Britain.

Hollowvictory · 20/02/2019 08:05

Her dad is already in Bangladesh.

Thymeout · 20/02/2019 08:46

Taking away her British citizenship is not a done deal. I think Javid is grandstanding for political advantage.

Some of the papers are saying she was born here, but I also saw a reference to her arriving here aged 3. There is now legislation about losing citizenship, if you travel to a war zone to support an enemy power, but I think she left the UK before it was passed. It's a legal minefield, especially since individual countries have their own regulations about citizenship. And the caliphate was not a legal state. The baby's status may be different from hers.

Not to mention the problems with Kurdish/Kurdish/Syrian jurisdiction.

It's important to get it right because of the precedent it sets. There hundreds of others in the same position. It's not just all about her. It makes you realise why Guantanamo was set up.

Re the UK being responsible for problems in India/Pakistan/Kashmir. What do you think would have happened if there'd been no partition?

IrmaFayLear · 20/02/2019 09:09

I agree it is all about precedent. What about young men wishing to return? Or young women without babies or children? Or older people?

It is a very difficult question as if she is not allowed to return no doubt a martyr will be made of her and she will be the darling of liberal causes. However, by shrugging and saying, "Oh, well, she's British, of course you can return" then the same allowance would have to made for anyone in this position.

gamerwidow · 20/02/2019 09:40

I think Javid is grandstanding for political advantage
Absolutely, it’ll get chucked out of the courts on appeal. Javid gets to look tough while actually doing fuck all.

findingmyfeet12 · 20/02/2019 09:45

It might turn on whether she is already a Bangladeshi citizen or has to apply for citizenship.

If you have to apply for Bangladeshi citizenship as someone not born in Bangladesh, the government might have a problem as in the interim, until she applies, she'd be stateless.

I got told I was backtracking and changing my position when I pointed out that it's possible the government might not have dotted all the i's yesterday on this thread...

findingmyfeet12 · 20/02/2019 09:55

If the decision stands up in court - great.

If it is overturned, you can bet your bottom dollar that Javed knew it would be and did this to transfer the blame to the courts. "I did my best guys but it's those pesky judges who let us down".

PortiaCastis · 20/02/2019 09:56

I also think Sajid is grandstanding and is on a sticky wicket here, this will get chucked out in the courts.
Although I do think the whole thing is strange as in just a coup!e of days this thing has escalated from a newspaper report to a child being born to the HO revoking citizenship and media frenzy, ok so I don't agree with isis but what else is going on that we are not being told. There are approx 300 other jihadis who have returned here so why single out a female teenager in a refugee camp
Something doesn't add add up

dietcokemegafan · 20/02/2019 12:02

@PortiaCastis I'm not at all convinced the baby is hers. As you say, very convenient.

MadCatEnthusiast · 20/02/2019 12:27

The father lives in Bangladesh. The daughter lives in Syria. They are hardly demonstrating their close ties to Britain.

And her sister and mother live in London so what’s your point? Pretty much the same thing of a dad/XH moving away on their own accord.

Marcipex · 20/02/2019 15:34

I read that the Dutch authorities are routinely dna testing all children returning with Isis parents.
I suspect the baby isnt hers too.
She just thought it would be a passport to a cushy rescue. Which she apparently feels she deserves.

Hollowvictory · 20/02/2019 15:42

I think she's going to be waiting for years for a rescue or offer of rehabilitation. She'll be in the camp for years.

MadCatEnthusiast · 20/02/2019 15:53

She just thought it would be a passport to a cushy rescue. Which she apparently feels she deserves

I think it's more of the fact she doesn't know that Dutch citizenship isn't that easy to get and many posters on these threads think the same. Just like she expected to be repatriated. She's clutching at a non-existent branch

Hollowvictory · 20/02/2019 15:54

Deluded

SinkGirl · 20/02/2019 15:57

Regarding the "groomed" - is that always a get-out clause? Is there ever any personal responsibility or are all girls/young women just hapless and vulnerable and in no way the architects of their own fortune?

So children groomed by paedophiles online who run away to meet their abuser - same deal?

Asta19 · 20/02/2019 16:14

So children groomed by paedophiles online who run away to meet their abuser - same deal

No its not the same deal at all. If you want to believe she was "groomed" it was done so by her own friend who had gone there before her. Not by her future husband. She got him by filling out a form! Ridiculous comparison.

SinkGirl · 20/02/2019 16:21

I’m not saying the husband groomed her - I’m saying the organisation did

Asta19 · 20/02/2019 16:46

It's still a ridiculous comparison though. The children who run away to their abusers "think" they are in love. And their abusers, as sick as they may be, are unlikely to have beheaded anyone and sent the child the video!

Asta19 · 20/02/2019 16:51

For me you can only take the "grooming" argument so far. Yes they lured her in with the promise of a certain life. One she says she actually did get until they were displaced. But she willfully ignored all the evil they were perpetrating at the same time. Both pre going and afterwards. If it was all about grooming why didn't more people go? Because they knew it was fundamentally wrong.

SinkGirl · 20/02/2019 16:51

So a terrorist organisation renowned for their relentless grooming tactics aren’t actually grooming children? If a child runs away for love then it’s grooming, but if they’ve been radicalised then it’s their own stupid fault?

People are such hypocrites.

You could actually read about the reality of this before posting knee jerk responses that regurgitate media bollocks.

icct.nl/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/ICCT-Almohammad-ISIS-Child-Soldiers-In-Syria-Feb2018.pdf

Asta19 · 20/02/2019 16:54

Let's stop calling her a child. She wasn't 8, she was 15. If the James Bulger killers can be held responsible at 10, then she can damn well be held responsible at 15.

SinkGirl · 20/02/2019 16:58

Not old enough to drink, get married, get a tattoo, drive a car, have a credit card, but old enough to resist sophisticated grooming techniques and get married off to a stranger who impregnates her three times in four years?

Who groomed Thompson and Venables to kill Bulger? What evidence do you have that this girl has doing anything of that magnitude?