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British IS girl has had her baby

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BrizzleMint · 17/02/2019 17:55

She's had her baby - a son.

Cabinet minister Jeremy Wright told BBC's Andrew Marr programme that the baby's nationality was "not straightforward".

The culture secretary, who was previously attorney general, said the first priority was establishing the health of her and her baby.

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ReflectentMonatomism · 18/02/2019 13:47

The impressive thing is that, short of strangling kittens on live TV while yelling "Death to the Infidel", she couldn't make herself sound much more dishonest and disgusting if she were deliberating trying.

I actually do support some British values and I am willing to go back to the UK and settle back again and rehabilitate and that stuff.

I wonder which values are in "some", and what "rehabilitate" means in the context of:

She said it was "wrong" innocent people died in the Manchester attack, but added: "It's a two-way thing... kind of retaliation" because IS was targeted.

"But I will admit, it's my fault right now. I just want forgiveness really, from the UK.

I must confess, I started off thinking there might be a case to be made that she was young and naive. But now I think she can just fuck off. If her family want to help and support her, I suspect that it would be easy to Crowdfund plane tickets for Syria for as many of them as wish to leave. Why on earth should she be entitled to "forgiveness"?

KingHenrysCodpiece · 18/02/2019 13:47

Who jumps in a viper pit and then asks you to feel bad for the fact they jumped in a viper pit

Happens all the time. Children are notorious for jumping in the viper pit. Once again its why youth court exists. Teens from nice families get involved in gangs and end up getting involved in someones death, or take stupid risks that put their lives in danger etc etc. They are often given help to get back on track. Mentors, social workers etc

Mymycherrypie · 18/02/2019 13:52

I don’t feel sorry for them either and tend to think they grow in to easily led adults who talk to everyone about their life “experience” like it’s some huge journey that lessons can be learned from, when in fact most of it was just being a dickhead.

We all have the internet. Did anyone else’s teen just give birth in Syria and talk fondly of the good times she spent with severed heads in bins?

Asta19 · 18/02/2019 14:15

Very few women in ISIS sit in a room all day cooking and cleaning. Any skills they have are used. Be that recruiting etc over the internet, didn't one of the other's even have an Instagram account? Out patrolling for other women who may be committing such crimes as not wearing gloves. Or teaching small children how to be jihadists. And what do you think her and her husband talked about at night when he got home? Wouldn't exactly be "good day at the office dear?" would it! It's not like she existed there in her own little innocent bubble.

With every interview she looks worse and worse. I can only hope that she says enough in these numerous interviews to actually get charged with something when she does come back.

Snowmaggedon · 18/02/2019 14:16

What's so awful about her home in Bethan Al green...

Maybe her dad's ideology and telling her so? Burning flags Etc... maybe that sets the tone of how she's feeling.

Too pp poster no I meant the terrorists fighting for the caliphate should all be attested and rounded up. We don't know what they have done.

But I also hope her family back here have very close tags watching them.

ReflectentMonatomism · 18/02/2019 14:22

Maybe her dad's ideology and telling her so? Burning flags Etc

That's one of the other girls. This one was raised by an uncle who is a "religious scholar". Make of that what you will. Certainly one can assume the 21st century was very much kept at bay.

SomethingOnce · 18/02/2019 14:25

Snow, that’s Amira Abase’s father you’re referring to, I think, not Shamima Begum’s?

MillytantForceit · 18/02/2019 14:27

The family are asking for travel dicuments so they can send someone to get mother and baby out.

The problem is Sajid Javed, the senior muslim in an Islamophobic party who feels the need to show how tough he is on Jihadis by saying he will do things he has no power to do.

Silly Girl meanwhile says blowiing up little girls at a pop concert was self-defence, and no worse than people who shoot at people hiding behind hostages.

She is not doing herself any favours.

SomethingOnce · 18/02/2019 15:04

Clearly a stranger to the saying that when one is in a hole, one ought to stop digging.

Oliversmumsarmy · 18/02/2019 15:25

She said it was "wrong" innocent people died in the Manchester attack, but added: "It's a two-way thing... kind of retaliation" because IS was targeted

What did the children who died in Manchester ever do to IS.

What did the office workers and children in the nursery of the Twin Towers ever do to IS.

Or any of the other attacks that IS have taken credit for. What did those people do to IS.

A lot of attacks actually targeted other Muslims.

DifferentWorldNow · 18/02/2019 15:40

I can't see social services given the family her baby, seeing as they've already had one child radicalised before their very noses. Hardly safe, I would think they'd say.

TrixieFranklin · 18/02/2019 15:41

@DifferentWorldNow a very good point!

ReflectentMonatomism · 18/02/2019 15:41

What did the office workers and children in the nursery of the Twin Towers ever do to IS.

Without wishing to write the Observer's Guide to Violent Muslim Organisation, Al-Qaeda and IS are very different organisations with very different objectives.

peridito · 18/02/2019 17:00

I've just watched the video of her i/v with Sky .

No flicker of emotion when asked " can tell us something about your baby" ,just a flat well it's a boy

no flicker of any emotion at any stage ,not sorrow discussing the deaths of her other 2 children ,she looks out of it ,completely down .

unwell

MaybeDoctor · 18/02/2019 17:14

Just seen the BBC interview. She is clearly a very shallow thinker. There is that sort of Teflon coating in her reactions - a hard nosed shrug of the shoulders. Only me matters.

MadCatEnthusiast · 18/02/2019 17:15

no flicker of any emotion at any stage ,not sorrow discussing the deaths of her other 2 children ,she looks out of it ,completely down, unwell

I do think she's unwell or even doped out. There was no light-up when she said she doesn't regret something but she does "in a way, regret it".

findingmyfeet12 · 18/02/2019 17:20

She looks completely out of it in the interview. Not well at all.

However, she does admit to believing that beheadings etc were ok. It doesn't seem that she has changed her view on that.

She definitely shouldn't be allowed to raise the baby but I'm not sure why her family shouldn't be allowed to raise him. Unless there's any evidence that they themselves are involved in extremist activity. The fact that she was radicalised cannot disqualify her family from raising the child. Children commit horrific crimes in the UK but that doesn't mean all their siblings are removed and their parents are automatically deemed unsuitable.

Surely traveling to Syria and other war zones without a government permit of some kind should be made criminal offences. It would be so much easier to prove than now having to put together evidence against her for a criminal trial.

findingmyfeet12 · 18/02/2019 17:26

MaybeDoctor I agree that she does seem very consumed by her own plight. No expression of sorrow for all the lives lost due to ISIS, the war, etc. Could this be a result of being "shell shocked"? Who knows?

Either way, it doesn't change the legal position. We can't pick and chose when we abide by international law.

Asta19 · 18/02/2019 17:32

Well I just watched the BBC video and her apology was very grudging wasn't it, no sincerity at all. Plenty of justification mind you!

BBC correspondent Mr Sommerville said that "throughout the interview, Shamima Begum continued to espouse Islamic State philosophy." He added: "When I asked her about the enslavement, murder and rape of Yazidi women by IS, she said 'Shia do the same in Iraq'."

I really don't know what the answer is. I don't see deradicalistion working with her, if it ever worked at all. In prison she'd just do more recruiting and become more of a "hero" to those who would follow her. Surveillance is very costly and will divert funds away from other threats. So what to do?

SomethingOnce · 18/02/2019 17:34

She’s our problem under international law, agreed.

Not an expert in trauma here either, but her expressions and body language suggest fibbing to me.

findingmyfeet12 · 18/02/2019 17:38

I don't think she's fibbing. I think she wants to come home for the NHS and creature comforts. I think she's still a strong ISIS supporter and should be behind bars. She thinks ISIS didn't deserve to win because they were corrupt, not because she doesn't agree with the killings etc.

She's a British problem but she's a big problem and needs to be confined behind bars where she can't influence others.

SomethingOnce · 18/02/2019 17:40

When she was expressing ‘regret’ for this and that, saying she was merely a housewife etc... fibbing.

Newbuild · 18/02/2019 17:42

The sad thing is many people become radicalised in prison. Even if she is behind bars, she is very much still a threat.

Asta19 · 18/02/2019 17:46

needs to be confined behind bars where she can't influence others

And that is the big problem. Behind bars is the perfect place to influence others. I spent a long time working with released prisoners. You would be shocked at how many come out saying they have converted to Islam. True Muslims believe in upholding the laws of whatever country they reside in. So Muslims who are prisoners are already a step outside that because they did commit a crime. I remember there were huge difficulties placing male terrorists. They tried putting them alone together in a separate wing but of course then they are surrounded by others who believe the same as them. They tried mixing them with the general population but then they just recruited more people. I don't even know where they all went in the end. But trust me we will be no safer with her in prison.

findingmyfeet12 · 18/02/2019 18:00

In that case she should be confined with people who have no hope of ever being released.

Islam is used as a vehicle to create a "gang" in prison. It's a big problem.