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British IS girl has had her baby

395 replies

BrizzleMint · 17/02/2019 17:55

She's had her baby - a son.

Cabinet minister Jeremy Wright told BBC's Andrew Marr programme that the baby's nationality was "not straightforward".

The culture secretary, who was previously attorney general, said the first priority was establishing the health of her and her baby.

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peridito · 18/02/2019 18:16

I'm awed by the supernatural power of ppl who know she is fibbing .

SomethingOnce · 18/02/2019 18:29

Perdito, in my first post I said those things suggested fibbing. Just like certain things DC do suggest fibbing. Nothing to do with supernatural powers, you silly billy.

Asta19 · 18/02/2019 18:49

Islam is used as a vehicle to create a "gang" in prison. It's a big problem

Absolutely. I don't think people realise how bad it is, but I guess why would they? I remain sceptical at best that we can manage this girl and other's like her. However, I also acknowledge that as she's a British citizen we may have to.

Our society isn't perfect by any means. We have huge divisions of wealth. Look at the threads about Universal Credit. Ironically one of the things about ISIS that has appealed to people is the fact that they promise no one will go hungry or be homeless with them. That's probably what SB means when she talks about the "lifestyle" being as they portrayed in videos.

When you think about how far removed from society most prisoners already are, then the concept of a life where they are valued and provided for can seem very appealing. There was a thread on here not long ago where about 90% of people said they would never trust someone who had been in prison.

We talk about how barbaric IS is (things like cutting off a hand for stealing) and yet look at people's reactions to crime in this country. We continually say the Justice system is "too soft". Read any thread about a paedophile and castration is often one of the milder suggestions!

How do you deradicalise someone who fundamentally believes that they were living in a "good" society. When ours is in such a mess? Yes a fair few of us on MN have decent jobs and nice homes, but a huge swathe of the UK do not. We're kidding ourselves if we think they do.

KingHenrysCodpiece · 18/02/2019 18:53

Why was the BBC interviewer expecting her to denounce Isis bombings on television when she is in a camp specifically for women and supporters of Isis?

Im just wondering what she was expected to say under those circumstances.

Laslo · 18/02/2019 21:12

My impression of SB from the videos is that she is extremely self-absorbed, to a really shocking degree. Her answers were all centred round herself, with no indication that others's needs matters, and she showed no gratitude for the efforts her family are apparently making to do what she wants and bring her back. IMO she appears an arrogant, insolent and rather stupid teen who is either an inherent follower of others or a very cruel, merciless leader.

She seems rather dead behind the eyes, and whether that is her natural psyche or a result of her experiences is hard to judge.

meditrina · 18/02/2019 21:23

...she is in a camp specifically for women and supporters of Isis?

Im just wondering what she was expected to say under those circumstances.

Exactly. We cannot trust a single word in these circumstances

Jb291 · 18/02/2019 21:30

No sympathy for her at all. No forgiveness for the evil she has helped perpetrate. I don't want her here. She is a risk to everyone in this country. I want the politicians to put the welfare of decent British citizens above that of some murdering terrorist bitch that clearly hates us and hates our country and hates our way of life.

findingmyfeet12 · 18/02/2019 21:32

Here we go again - another one who thinks it's ok to dump our criminals on other countries yet expects them to take theirs back when we want to deport them.

KingHenrysCodpiece · 19/02/2019 07:45

Unfortunately she is our responsibility and likely a risk either way. If we attempt to leave her there, those few radical muslims will say 'see......proof Britain hates muslims...if this was a white English girl asking for help they would help her'. Consider even some people have already tried to suggest its about race and not about what she's done, which is ridiculous, so you can see some people taking it even further than that. Not allowing her back is not really an option and the news journos need to stop pretending its a decision that can be based on how we feel.

On the other hand we allow her back we need to keep her and her child safe and the public safe. Tons of money and she would need to be monitored for years.

Apparently the Kurds are not harming any western refugees and are not meting out the justice they are to other Isis supporters but they'll equally not release them from the camps either so it's like being in prison without the TV, Gym, library and calls home.

Hollowvictory · 19/02/2019 08:45

She's not 'our responsibility' whilst she's in the camp.

If she makes it to Britain or to a British consulate then obviously she'll need to be dealt with.

findingmyfeet12 · 19/02/2019 11:14

I think it should be for Syria to decide whether they want her there or not. They can deport her if they want to. If not she makes her own way out.

dietcokemegafan · 19/02/2019 12:21

Not allowing her back is not really an option

If she makes it to a British consulate/embassy she'll be helped back I'm sure. But why should a penny of taxpayers money be spent, or any consular lives be risked extracting her from Syria?

slipperywhensparticus · 19/02/2019 12:32

Yep we should only take her back when we need to not before

And other countries don't want us to return people to them either there was a benefits street type show once where an Indian came over on his brothers passport he sent it home so he couldn't be deported then when he wanted to go home they wouldn't take him without a passport which he didn't have we couldn't return him without there acknowledgement that he belonged there it was a long drawn out process and he was homeless in the meantime

Other cases the Italian who killed a British woman served his time in UK was given "citizenship" (yes I've forgotten the right word again) when he left prison instead of going back to Italy oh so many cases of soft Britain

KingHenrysCodpiece · 19/02/2019 13:31

dietcoke

I'm not suggesting she be taken back, (although the PR would be bad were some harm to come to her there justified or not) hence I said allowed, meaning should she make her way to a British Consulate.

Hollowvictory · 19/02/2019 16:13

Hopefully she'll bore off soon. I imagine she's a target for someone.

Newbuild · 19/02/2019 18:26

Has anyone else seen that the exact same thing is happening in Canada and America right now? Girls who joined isis asking to come home... seems a bit, strange to be at the same time, no?

Mymycherrypie · 19/02/2019 19:54

She’s lost her British citizenship. Shame shame.

TrixieFranklin · 19/02/2019 20:53

Hoorah, I've just caught up with the update on the BBC.

Hollowvictory · 20/02/2019 04:12

Good news. Hopefully a deterrent to other young people considering a similar path. I hope she's one day held to account for her actions by Syria one day but we're a long way from that happening. In the meantime may she suffer as she's caused others to suffer.

Improve12 · 20/02/2019 04:41

The baby is more British than Dutch. The baby has very little to do with his Dad by the sounds of it. The mother is not Syria's problem. She is Britain's problem. She made a decision at 15. She was misled in Britain. Why are minors being misled in Britain?
This girl's interview is complex. I got the impression that she is not happy about death and innocent people dying. I am aware that many youngsters have bought into extremist ideology by religious leaders highlighting the fact that innocent people have been tortured and killed back in Iraq by the western forces for no good reason. Western intervention in Libya was uncalled for. The British created Pakistan and India, which has caused lasting conflict in both places as well as Kashmir. Teenagers hear about all this and are clearly upset. Some of them are bullied, bashed and called terrorists/other names at school. They have difficulty comprehending the world that they are in. Majid Nawaz was recently racially attacked for being Pakistani and he is actively involved in anti-extremism assignments. They are lacking the narrative to appropriately defend themselves and are very easily being misled. They go to Syria and realise their mistakes. Being brainwashed by mindcontrol cults is a hard one and these movements function in a very similar way.
Britain needs to deal with its own problems. This girl is not Syrian. Radicalisation happened in Britain. Weed out these people. Punish them or deradicalize them. Whatever.

Hollowvictory · 20/02/2019 05:21

She's not Britains problem any more. She doesn't have British citizenship.

Improve12 · 20/02/2019 07:31

She is Britain's problem. She was radicalised there. She is not Syria's problem and she is not Bangladesh's problem. Bangladesh's poor and unstable situation is directly a result of historical British occupation of India and drawing borders on maps the way they saw fit. The stripping of citizenship works for refugees that get radicalised. It doesn't make sense in this scenario.

Hollowvictory · 20/02/2019 07:36

You've misunderstood, she is no longer a British citizen so is not our problem. You may not like it, but that's the fact of the matter. She is ent to nothing from the UK. She's on her own. She slammed the door in the face of the UK when she flounce off to become a jihadi and kill people. Now she's captured and bored she fancies coming back.... No thanks love

ReflectentMonatomism · 20/02/2019 07:36

She is Britain's problem. She was radicalised (here)

In (by?) a Bangladeshi family in a Bangladeshi enclave surrounded by other Bangladeshi families. Her father lives in Bangladesh. The family are unlikely to speak English, will espouse Bangladeshi values and will have “protected” her from decadent Western values. Passport aside (or more accurately her sister’s passport aside) how is she British?