British IS girl "wants to return to Britain"

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Said she has no regrets;
Says she's seen severed heads in bins but it didn't faze her.
Says living with IS lived up to her expectations.
Now she wants to come home to Britain as she's 9 months pregnant.

Sounds an ideal member of any sane society

Love bomb her?

Are you serious?

You can’t love bomb her into being a decent functioning person, she has lost all feeling, all sense of the value of human life. Two of her own children died, she could have prevented that. She hates this country and what we stand for, how exactly do you think love bombing will help?...it sounds slightly arrogant to imagine she will welcome that. Her view of non Muslims is that we are ‘pigs’. Do you suppose she will even care about your love bombing, she will be laughing at you, all the while reestablishing old networks to take damage and miam our country.

I say love bomb her

Terrible pun given her most recent interests.

Minors are charged and tried as minors, though, not as adults, so I would not expect her to face exactly the same process as someone who went out there aged 25.

Jon Venables and Robert Thompson were tried as adults.

I think for the sake of HER parents and family it would be compassionate to allow her and her baby back. She may well have to do prison time but can you imagine what her parents have gone through?

Can you imagine your dear child joining ISIS and never seeing your grandchildren? That if you send her an airplane ticket or money to come home you risk being arrested? Knowing that your 15 year old child is living i hell and seeing things no child should see.

On youtube there is a film, my son the Jihadi - it is the story of Sally Evans whose son was radicalised and went out ot Somalia.

Worth watching, particularly if you think this is an 'us and them' situation and just because you are not muslim and you have white skin it will never effect you.

She's halfway there.

Not really. She's still fine with the idea that 'enemies of Islam' (and who does the classifying?) deserve to die.

Personally I think we should treat these as vulnerable people with mental health problems. Section them in a specialist facility with moderate Islamic clerics, therapists and lots of positive activities.

Got to consider the possibility she may be unable to be honest for fear of not being allowed home or being killed or harmed.

I think families and friends would be far quicker to report their family members if they knew they was going to be treatment and support rather just adopting a criminal mindset.

Not to say these people aren’t highly dangerous.

Without question she is a massive security risk and as paranoid as this may sound we literally only have her side of the story to believe. There may have been no previous babies. There may have been more that may not have made it to term. We do not know.

BUT as @tulipstulipstulips says she’s showing all the signs of being brainwashed and that you could argue she’s had “normal development” put on pause from the age of 15 and has been living in a warped parallel universe where death is a way of life whether via punishment eked out to the infidel or colossal infant mortality rates due to your society rejecting the previous status quo and reducing previously functioning infrastructure to disease ridden filthy rubble.

I’m torn. Could she be deprogrammed? But how?

I'd revoke her bloody passport. We're the enemy until they want something their precious IS fanatics won't provide what they want. Imo if you leave the country to join a terrorist organisation actively targeting us, you leave behind your right to return.

Did anyone read the bit that she wasn't fazed by finding beheaded heads in bins?

I don't think that mindset will ever be changed and there is no chance of rehabilitation into a civilised society.

Maybe allow the child in for immediate adoption after birth as it didn't choose to be born but certainly the mother should not be allowed back in.

I am amazed anyone would support her return, her citizenship should be revoked. The government assured us this would be the case. If you join IS and support a death cult you lose your rights to belong to live here. End of.

Anyone that was in London during the terror attacks will know how terrifying it is. Why would we need to bring back yet more supporters of terrorism?

We need a far more assertive policy to protect the peaceful people of the country.

This country

How did the Times find her? Did the journalist happen to come across her while reporting on the camps, or was the newspaper told where to find her?

If the Times was deliberately pointed towards her, I wonder who is pulling the strings. Picking the Times suggests a degree of sophistication.

OTOH, if it's part of a planned PR campaign on her behalf, you'd think she'd have been better coached on what to say and not say. I've only read the report on the bbc website, but she does sound quite detached from reality.

I'm torn on this. Undoubtedly the baby deserves a better start in life, but not sure what should happen to this young woman.

If she comes back, she will have to be heavily monitored and how much does that cost? She has no regrets on joining so how many others would she recruit?

Also how would she ever get a job? Would you hire or want to work with someone who supports isis so much they flew out to be with them?

For the first time ever I agree with the comments made by the daily mail readers this morning.

He found her in a refugee camp. She said something and he said "you're a London girl aren't you?" and she said "I'm a Bethnal Green girl" and he twigged she was one of the three girls we'd seen in the news. She did not seek him out and he did not deliberately seek her out.

Let her rot.

Her baby should be allowed to go one of it's extended families or adopted but I'm not sure about her coming back.

She shouldn't be allowed back. Who knows what she will plan and plot?

Not phased by heads in bins? Dear God what more do we need to hear?

This women may legally be British, but she is not British in a way that most British people would recognise as being British. The rights that go with being British, for example the right to vote, to chose your religion and so on go with being a law abiding citizen and paying your taxes. In return we expect to be looked after if we fall on hard times. I don’t think this woman fits into this at all.

Yy it's a shame for her family but there are bigger issues than her parents. Undoubtedly she's a security risk. Whether imprisoned or hospitalised, she'll act as a magnet for extremists and she's completely unrepentant. All the coverage has made her a poster girl for ISIS and she's not making any attempt to refute that.

There are many pregnant women in refugee camps across the world. They didn't choose to live in war zones. They didn't choose to ignore options to return to a safe loving home in the UK. Their children died because they couldn't save them not because they refused to return home. I would happily let them come to the UK and I wouldn't prioritise this woman over them.

I have no sympathy for her. And I find her 'concern' for this child insincere since she happily stayed in Syria with her other DCs when she could have fled.

In any other cases, a 15yo married and having a child, it would be considered rape. A 15yo wouod also be considered unable to consent and treated as a child
How does it work when the age of consent is different . In Syria the age is 14. When we are in different countries we are told we have to abide by their laws so has she been raped if she agreed to sexual intercourse?

No sympathy for her what so ever. And I’d bet money there were no other babies, but even if there were, this woman has no issue with other people’s children being murdered in the name of her cause so the only people I feel sympathy for here is the children in this situation.

And how much of a coincidence is it that she’s got in touch just as she’s about to give birth so her child will be a British citizen? Coincidence? I think not.

But yeh, let her come back to the UK, let her give birth, remove the baby and place it for adoption and then throw her out of the country.

Groomed my arse. Far too much minimising here of despicable behaviours, “oh she must have been groomed/must be suffering from mental illness.” Yeah. Or maybe she’s just a callas bitch out to radicalise more people into her cause.

Interesting that people believe that the bulger killers who were just eleven when convicted should be locked up for life, yet a girl goes over to Syria, talks casually about the severed heads she saw in bins and how it’s an idyllic life and she has no regrets and we need to sympathise with her? Diddums.

I have sympathy for the innocent baby in this mess. Imagine being told your mother was that.

She should be let back. I’ve heard the interview. It’s shocking how calm she sounds despite what must have been a very traumatic experience. She was young and brainwashed. She didn’t actually do any fighting or killing herself.

Such sexism, just because she is a pretty girl, holding a teddy, and now pregnant she should be allowed back?

She is an Isis member who thinks enemies of islam should die. An adult.

Whether she is a boy or girl, pregnant or not, any Isis member wanting to come and live here should not be let in.

Please

I think if she actually killed people she shouldn’t be let back.

I don’t think she could have fled with her other children. The teenage girl she went out with who was killed in a bombing, apparently did want to come back and was in phone contact with her sister saying so but saying she didn’t dare because she’d seen another teenage girl get beaten to death in the street for changing her mind and trying to run.

That said it doesn’t sound like this one particularly wanted to run, at least not from anything she’s said so far.

She didn’t actually do any fighting or killing herself.

Genuine question, how do we know she hasn't, other than taking her word for it?