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British IS girl "wants to return to Britain"

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themoomoo · 14/02/2019 07:26

Said she has no regrets;
Says she's seen severed heads in bins but it didn't faze her.
Says living with IS lived up to her expectations.
Now she wants to come home to Britain as she's 9 months pregnant.

Sounds an ideal member of any sane society

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evaperonspoodle · 14/02/2019 09:53

She's been brainwashed and it probably suffering from some sort of dissociative PTSD.
It would be better for her to come back, at least she can receive some form of anti brainwashing therapy.
She was only 15 when she went. She needs help

^I totally agree with this. Anyone who can (allegedly) be unfazed by finding a head in a bin is very ill and needs treatment ASAP. Do we know if she committed any illegal acts?

I think for the sake of her baby she should be allowed back.

NitroJenny · 14/02/2019 09:55

Interesting that she wants to come back for the sake of her baby. What about the other two? Oh wait, Isis still had territory then and she wasn't in a refugee camp.

hackmum · 14/02/2019 09:55

Genuine question, how do we know she hasn't, other than taking her word for it?

I guess we can't be sure, but in the space of four years, she's had two babies and is now on her third pregnancy. It seems unlikely she'd have been able to fit in very much time for fighting.

Troels · 14/02/2019 09:58

Why should she be allowed back, she has no remorse, she still believes in what she has done, she still thinks we are the ememy.
Leave her there with her husband, he should be the one to look after her.
If she comes back she will continue to have these beliefs. Maybe it's all a set up, maybe IS are trying to send her back so she can send more young Brits out there to fight and to be their wives and raise some money for them.

Nousernameforme · 14/02/2019 09:58

What if she isn't safe right now and is having to give answers and speak that way to keep herself alive.

viques · 14/02/2019 09:59

When the three girls left, a report said they had packed hair removal cream and razors. I remember thinking then that they were deluded naive teens who thought they were gong to live in a silk lined tent in the desert with devastatingly handsome young jihadis and make love under the stars. And I still think that's what they were. Then.

What she is now I don't know, but she has spent 4 years exposed to violent propaganda and brainwashing about the evils of western civilisation, I don't know if in her situation you learn to spout the same rhetoric as a survival mechanism, like Stockholm syndrome, or if it what she truly believes .

If she is allowed to return , and the same applies to the other girls and young men who left, then what becomes of them? Are they to be imprisoned in general prisons, where the danger is they will in turn radicalise others, or be detained in special units, where their presence together will only serve to confirm their attitudes, or let them go back to their families but keep them under surveillance for the rest of their lives.

I think it's one of those situations where it would be useful to have a government who has thought ahead and planned for the situation, but as with everything it seems HMG are caught on the back foot again with no plan of action.

TheInnerVoice · 14/02/2019 09:59

We don’t know for certain that she’s had two babies though do we? We do know that she’s pregnant now and about to give birth and oh, what a coincidence, wants to come back to Britain.

How many people banging the sympathy drum would be happy to have that baby in a class with their children? Happy to have it round to your house for play dates? Because you know that if she comes back and is allowed to keep the baby she’ll be given a new identity at the taxpayer’s expense?

Butterymuffin · 14/02/2019 10:02

What if she isn't safe right now

This also applies to the many other people in refugee camps right now, who in contrast to this young woman have done nothing to bring that on themselves. She has lost her claim for special treatment.

KateAdiesEarrings · 14/02/2019 10:02

53rd yy the other girl decided against fleeing after someone else was killed. But this woman didn't try to put similar escape plans in place. She has never acted or spoken in a way that implies she doesn't support ISIS.
We don't know if she fought. We don't know if she ferried weapons. We don't know if she helped plan attacks. We don't know anything about what she did whilst there.
There are lots of traumatised people in war zones. But there are also people who are hardened and committed to their cause. Being brutal isn't the same as being brutalised and no-one here has any idea which this woman is.

stairway · 14/02/2019 10:05

I would be happy to have the child round for play dates. What a bizarre thing to say, it’s not the child’s fault.

evaperonspoodle · 14/02/2019 10:06

How many people banging the sympathy drum would be happy to have that baby in a class with their children?

The 'sins' of the parents should not be cast upon the children. If she comes back before or even when the baby was small the child will have grown up in the UK, not IS. It is deeply unsavoury to suggest that this child will not be welcome in school when it has done nothing wrong.

PortiaCastis · 14/02/2019 10:06

She made her bed she'll have to lie in it, the welfare state funded by taxpayers should not keep her or her child

Samcro · 14/02/2019 10:07

if she is allowed back. would her husband then be able to come here.(as the babies dad)

Springwalk · 14/02/2019 10:09

It is really very telling that even mumsnet has reservations or are outrightly against the IS woman coming back. The default position would usually be that we are all very supportive of protecting mothers and babies.

The potential cost to human life and the expense of keeping her monitored for life, and the work required to try and attempt to return her to the community could be absolutely huge (and could unsuccessful) then what do we do?

mothertruck3r · 14/02/2019 10:09

Why does her right to come back to a country she hates because she is a British Citizen trump the rights of people living here to be safe? How much money will be wasted on her in NHS resources, benefits, housing, security etc that could be spent on the elderly, poor here. And people wonder why Europe is becoming more right wing. Barmy!

Eliza9917 · 14/02/2019 10:09

If the government can deport windrush settlers then why the fuck should we allow her back in?

She made her choice, siding with terrorists shows where her allegiances lie, she made her bed, she can lie in it imo.

Running off to ISIS or any other terrorist fraction should result in removal of all British status.

Treat her as a traitor.

percheron67 · 14/02/2019 10:11

Don't let her back. This is an obvious case of ISIS sending a Trojan horse. She can so easily influence others. Britain is so soft on traitors like this.

mirialis · 14/02/2019 10:11

Such sexism

Nope. If it were a 15 year old boy who had gone out there and not participated in fighting and wanted to come back, utterly disillusioned, I would also think it were worth finding out whether he could be effectively rehabilitated or not. There are some who claim they went over purely to provide medical aid but the problem for them is they were adults when they went, not 15 year old schoolboys.

The issue here is that she is clearly not yet utterly disillusioned.

At some point something will have to be done and the British government cannot just dump British citizens onto another country and wash their hands of them, irrespective of whether they want to allow them back into the UK or not.

Milicentbystander72 · 14/02/2019 10:11

No way should she be allowed back.

There are thousands of refugees from other places who would love a safe place in the UK. They should come before her.

I feel sorry for her child though, but....

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 14/02/2019 10:13

Since she was only 15 when she made the decision to leave, very likely harbouring some sort of romantic, Mills-and-Boon-ish fantasy of marrying a heroic, handsome warrior fighting. in 'the cause of righteousness' - so much more thrilling than home and school! - I think that if we count ourselves a civilised country, she should be allowed to return.

Of course she would need to be de-programmed, or whatever they call it (does it actually work?) and very strictly monitored afterwards - yet more strain on our already hard-pressed security services, of course.

C8H10N4O2 · 14/02/2019 10:15

A young teen was groomed over a prolonged period into "consenting" to rape and forced marriage. Then kept in a sect and brainwashed for another 4 yrs.

If it had been one of the bizarre Christian rapture cults doing this the focus would be on deproggramming support (which is what tends to happen for victims of white, Christian sects promoting the rapture etc).

The point of an investigation after return is to establish how much was coercion and the scope for reintegration. Any child groomed into that life should at least get that much of a chance.

Any of our could be groomed for any number of reasons. It would be a very smug parent to assume such a thing could never happen to their child.

Samcro · 14/02/2019 10:16

she isn't a 15 yr old girl now. she is a 19 yr old woman. I really think when people do this, they should have their british passport revoked.

MissionItsPossible · 14/02/2019 10:16

the British government cannot just dump British citizens onto another country.

It didn't. She willingly went there to support a terrorist group.

winsinbin · 14/02/2019 10:17

This is so difficult. I read the interview (in The Times not DM) and was shocked at how casual and unrepentant she was but as people here have said she has been brainwashed and is probably suffering from PTSD or Stockholm Syndrome or both.

There is also the possibility that she cannot voice any regrets or criticism of the IS regime whilst still living there as to do so would probably be a death sentence for her.

I think the humane thing would be to let her come back to a U.K. prison to give birth and face charges.

DandilionBreak · 14/02/2019 10:18

I'm sure she's having a horrible time. Part of me knows the humane thing to do is help, but another part of me says "tough shit". She chose. Badly, it seems, but she chose. Syrians by and large didn't have any say, yet they're suffering alongside her. What makes her so special? She's LESS deserving of any help.