If the woman wants to keep the baby and the man doesn't, who, in your opinion takes precedence?

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Just that really. Wondering what people's opinions are. Woman wants to keep it, man doesn't, neither will change their mind. What's the solution? Just looking for peoples thoughts really. Am very fragile so please be kind. So as not to drip feed, relationship of 6 months, pregnancy unplanned, couple love each other but can't agree and will probably break up if she keeps it (from what he has said). Pregnancy is 8 weeks along. Man wanted the baby at first then changed his mind. Woman has always wanted it from day one.

Oh good a man has arrived!

The man should be able to sign away any and all legal, moral and financial responsibility of the child if the woman goes ahead and has a child she knows he does not want.

By your logic only the man should abstain from sex if they don't want a child. However a woman can have sex and then choose whether to keep or abort the child.

Can he sign away his rights at any point, if he decides he doesn't want the child any more? At what age would that right stop, in your system?

Yes, men should refrain from PIV unprotected sex if becoming a father is absolutely not what they could ever countenance.

And no, I am not a man haha. I just believe in equality... no one, man or woman should be forced into parenthood. So whoever doesn't want the child takes precedent

Joining in with the vast majority saying it's always the woman's decision. Always.

Suggest ditching the male partner either way in this instance.

Hold on you said it was his choice that she should have to abort.

I want to hear more about this idea as per my previous post.
Is there a cut-off in weeks that he can force her to abort?
What about girls in this situation, any different view for them?

Whoever doesn't want a child should take serious responsibility for contraception or abstain.

So make men should be able to impregnate women all the place and be able to walk away freely. Could even actually plan a pregnancy then decide nah and walk away with no responsibility?

This whole situation is very sad.

It's all very well saying that the boyfriend should have thought about the implications before having sex but then equally so should the OPs daughter. Realistically, people don't though do they?

Now that it has happened the OPs daughter has a decision to make. He can't force her to have an abortion (rightly so) but equally she can't force him to be a father (other than financially) if he doesn't want to.

She can't make him step up and play happy families if he doesn't want to so she needs to accept that if she goes ahead she will be a single parent but with the possibility of him causing problems along the way if he does decide to want to be involved.

PLease expand on this "snoffair" law that you want to impose on the women and girls of the UK, around forced abortion.

We are all ears

"By your logic only the man should abstain from sex if they don't want a child. However a woman can have sex and then choose whether to keep or abort the child."

Biology is so horribly oppressive to men, isn't it, the poor darlings.Saying no PIV sex! Outrageous!!!!!!!!!!! Totally they should be allowed to force women into medical procedures that they don't want, to right this awful unfairness

Nothingontellyagain. No, I didn't say it was 'his' decision. I said it is the decision of whoever doesn't want the child. And yes, at any point up until the normal abortion limit.

@MakeAHouseAHome

The man should be able to sign away any and all legal, moral and financial responsibility of the child if the woman goes ahead and has a child she knows he does not want

Or he can use a condom. Simples.

Agree when’s the cut off? For me, it before you put your sperm in someone’s vagina. Would you rather go for 8 weeks? 8 months? Or newborns maybe when the novelty wears off?

Moussemoose, the woman was on the pill in the example.

Even the pill plus condoms aren't 100% effective

It’s the woman’s choice, without a doubt.

"So make men should be able to impregnate women all the place and be able to walk away freely. Could even actually plan a pregnancy then decide nah and walk away with no responsibility?"

better than that, they should be able to force women and girls to undergo abortions, up to ? weeks (the poster has not confirmed their view). In China the state would force abortion up to term. There is precendent here. Conversely, if others than the women are allowed to force them to give birth, you end up with Romania.

Really, the indiviudal women need to be able to make their own choices around this, based on their own circs, not be forced into eitehr abortion or birth by state, church, or men.

Yes, even the pill + condoms might not be 100% effective. So if you go ahead with just relying on the pill, then you have to accept that becoming a parent is a small possibility. To whinge about it afterwards and blame the woman is ridiculous. And to think that you have the right to demand an abortion is even more absurd.

To all those saying it should be solely the womans decsion, thatbis only fair if the man can sign away any and all responsibility for the child they have clearly said they don't want.

Lol MakeAHouseAHome says that they want men to be able to make women and girls have abortions up to 24 weeks.

That's lovely dear.

What do you say about the girl in Rotherham I mentioned? The man in that case took teh decision for her alright. Any difference in approach for others in her situation?

I teach sex ed to older teenagers. When teaching a classroom full of boys I explain their contraceptive choices. Condoms or no sex.

If you aren't prepared to be a father to this woman's (potential) child walk away or wear a condom. Those are the choices you get as a man. Nice and simple, not confusing, easy to follow.

MakeAHouseAHome no

You said that the man should be able to force the woman / girl to have an abortion up to 24 weeks.

That's your view. I disagree. I think it's an appalling idea.

The man doesn't get to sign shit. He gets to wear a condom or walk away.

Female's choice :-)

24 weeks for a forced abortion? You are a disgrace.

They didn't clearly say they didn't want a child. At the point at which the man gets a choice, he was happy to go ahead only relying on the woman taking the pill. Which isn't 100% effective. So he's taking a risk, which is on him. If he doesn't like the outcome he doesn't get to have a tantrum and walk away from his responsibilities.