Breaking news: May facing leadership challenge today.

[KitKat1985]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46535739

It's all such a mess. I'm not a fan of Teresa May particularly, but I do think anyone would have struggled to make a success of Brexit after the referendum, so not entirely sure what replacing May will achieve. And also who on earth would replace her if the challenge is successful?

What did you all think was going to happen?

The banks cause a worldwide recession.
A Tory party obsessed with 'benefit scroungers' drives headlong into austerity.
The frustrated 52% vent their anger (and sadly reap what they sow).
The UK is driven to waste billions on a pointless period of change at the worst possible time.

Brexit isn't the issue.
Universal credit, rising child poverty, rising homelessness, cuts in public services - those are the issues.
And which political party is offering to fix those issues? Any of them?

Pointless telling you to calm the fuck down because that usually has the opposite effect in real life.
I'll just go and make a cuppa and leave you silly children to it.

Theresa May losing her job because of brexit is a silly reason. That job is bound to be difficult for anyone. A vote of no confidence should have taken place ages ago! Especially after the windrush scandal, losing evidence re: paedophiles, cuts to disability benefits, universal credits, paying the DUP so she could keep her job; the list can go on.

When someone realises joining in a riot and at worst being locked up, will provide them with warmth and food.
It's an absolute disgrace what this country has become.

What on earth are they thinking?
This is not the time for Tory infighting. None of them seems like a decent successor.
I have not voted Tory for many a long year and I can't see myself doing so for quite a long time to come.
My local MPs Peter Bone, Phil Hollobone and Tom Pursglove (aka Tom Pipsqueak and the Bones) don't seem to care what the electorate think at all.

Oh good, more shitshowing.

She just couldn't resist, even now, parroting the old tired lines about 'a country that works for everyone', 'excellent public services' and 'getting on with Brexit'.

I've no sympathy for her.

Actually I think she'll win it and stagger on, unkillable as ever.

I hate all these male Tories such as Boris and Jacob Rees-Mogg who are loaded and will never be negatively affected financially by Brexit or any harsh policies. They are all ego. Then there is Gove who may not be rich but is just a creepy oik, willing to throw all and sundry under the bus at a moment's notice.

The UK won't riot to any significant level. It's not in our nature to do so and it's also the wrong time of year for riots to happen.

We are an ever increasing multi cultural society.
There is no such thing as the 'Uk' nature. Now that is Middle class arrogance at it's best.

There is plenty of violence in the U.K. right now. It just hasn’t assembled into crowds (yet).

more silliness.

Why?

It is usually the people who talk like this about neoliberalism being the cause of all the world problems are the ones who support one of the biggest neoliberal projects going in which is the EU.

Mirror, mirror on the wall
Who is the most neoliberal of them all?

The EU is far from blameless but it is a million light years better than the Tory party.

What on earth are they thinking?
This is not the time for Tory infighting. None of them seems like a decent successor.

It's because of the cancelled vote in the Commons. TM had her kill or cure moment, and she ducked it. Her 'leadership' is now utterly non-existant regardless of the merits or otherwise of the deal, etc.

The EU is far from blameless but it is a million light years better than the Tory party.

I didn't make the point either way, I was making a point that most people railing against the evil neoliberal agenda show little joined up thinking in being very pro eu, they usually have picked up a buzz word and just treat politics as a team sport, which you seem to have done.

The fact that JC has spent his whole political career voting against an ever closer union shows that its not a simple game of team sports any more, and uses a lot of revisionism to try and paint the whole EU ref as Tories wanting out and Labour wanting in.

This is why its a shit show all round.

That is utter rubbish Russia. Firstly, you are talking about the situation from a London centric position. Secondly I am in no way shape or form middle-class. I speak from the point of view of having grown up in the North West (I still live here) and in particular from having grown up in the borough with the worst social mobility in England.

Just popped back on to see if posters were still having fun with their fantasy civil unrest scenarios trying to wind everyone up for sport. Turns out they are.

Some rough ol' folks on this thread hoping for riots and all that, hopefully there is another less childish thread.

I wonder if TM wins the leadership vote tonight JC will announce that the vote of no confidence in the Government has to take place?

Bowchicawowow

I'm a born and bread Mancunian love. Nowt Londoncentric about me!

I think she'll win the leadership vote. I feel that more are behind her than against her...it's just the ones against her shout the loudest.

Well Russia whilst Manchester is indeed very multicultural you should know that most areas of the NW are not and those places been ignored by politicians for decades. Andy Burnham was on TV last night talking about homelessness in Manchester and tearing his hair out about how we are all obsessed with Brexit while in the meantime people are living miserably.
Having grown up in a mining town during the miners strikes I just don’t feel there is that level of violent unrest as there was in the eighties. I can’t see large scale riots coming as we have seen in france this week.

I'm in the remain camp and can't stand the Tories for what they have done to our country but I have to say I admire May's determination and commitment to what was always going to be an impossible job and probably political suicide.

I hope she wins the leadership vote, that would hopefully shut them up and let her get on with the job that no-one else seems prepared to do. I'm a remainer and I just want them to get on with it, although my DD (also a remainer) was asking this morning if they could just cancel brexit instead (well yes, but it's not that simple thanks to Cameron ...)

Bowchichawowow

Yes I agree with you. What I was trying to point out was that it doesn't take much to start a riot and there are people who will use public unrest to fuel their own agendas.
I was in town when the Manchester riot started and it was horrific.
It just became about mindless violence and social media is a platform which can be used to add fuel to the fire.
Social media didn't exist in the 80s and even the police admit it can escalate events quickly.
During the riots they blocked the wi fi signal to try to control large groups merging.

It doesn’t feel like the right climate for a riot
Now
I suppose things could change
But people don’t seem to have the impetus

Also the people that voted Brexit are they more likely to include potential rioters than remainers

Also more likely in the heat like the London riots -can’t remember why they started