Breaking news: May facing leadership challenge today.

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46535739

It's all such a mess. I'm not a fan of Teresa May particularly, but I do think anyone would have struggled to make a success of Brexit after the referendum, so not entirely sure what replacing May will achieve. And also who on earth would replace her if the challenge is successful?

I'm not sure why I should respect you more if you knew this is what you were voting for. In fact, if you voted leave in the full knowledge that this would be the outcome, I actually think an awful lot less of you than someone who voted leave without that knowledge.

Well said @icannotremember

We need to cancel Brexit !

"On the leaflet Cameron sent to every house hold in the land it clearly stated if you vote to leave the EU you will be voting to leave the SM and the CU."
This is an oft repeated brexiteer lie.
The booklet does not even mention the Custom Union !!!
People voted for different things (from nonsense WTO only to Norway style) basically, even if the question was very precise. To claim otherwise is disingenuous in the extreme.

If you cancel brexit you cancel democracy.

How do you work that out?

A referendum doesn't trump parliamentary sovereignty, It just shows how the public feel.
It isn't binding the way an election is, so no it wouldn't cancel democracy.

Did Leavers understand about the Irish conundrum and how to resolve the border between our sovereign kingdom and EU RoI? Of course they didn't.

I live in a resounding Leave area (Dover) which depends upon orderly transition of England/EU traffic. Did we understand the impact of this Leave vote? At a guess, no.

I don't believe in the People's Vote I think we should rescind Brexit and revoke article 50 as a matter of sensible governance.

The problems arising from a Leave vote were well publicised tbh. Not just from Cameron's leaflet but economists and UK lawyers too.

So assuming Leavers voted with all the knowledge available it surprises me to know that statisically leave voters are poor and will cope less well with the changes to our UK wealth as a result from Brexit. Unbelievable.

@lilmishap

These issues of interpretation were discussed at the outset and the government are I believe aware of this massive trap they could fall into. I am guessing the next step will be a no deal exit. In this regard the EU have failed themselves and set an example to the other member states who also have internal concerns about the direction the EU is heading in.

At least Corbin under the guise of macdonnel has the common sense to stay clear for the time being.

I am beginning to have more respect for the way Teresa May has handled this minefield. Clever.

Thank you for your comments.

This hysteria about 'cancel Brexit' is precisely what's wrong with the whole movement.

UK can revoke A50 & come up with a very long term plan how to make a smooth & orderly exit. Invoke A50 again later. The plan would include developing the technology to make MaxFac possible, for instance. Revoking A50 now doesn't have to mean cancelling Brexit, it means acknowledging that Brexit is very complex & will cause unnecessary pain if done too hastily & uncarefully.

Saying Brexit is complex & can be painful violates the Brexit myth, though. And it leads to hysteria by those who don't want their prize stolen. So... sigh. We're all being dragged into a mess b/c so many people can't do delayed gratification or admit they were conned into believing it would be 'The easiest deal in history'.

*Poppyinagreenfield

If you cancel brexit you cancel democracy.*

This is just plain stupid.

I don't see what the point of a peoples vote would be. The hard Brexiteers will vote against because they want no customs relationship and no withdrawal payments to the EU and the Remainers will vote against it because they want to vote against Brexit. The result is probably a foregone conclusion so we'll be back to where we are now. I would like another referendum now on the basis that we know more about what we were voting for. The Brexiteers will be up in arms because they know it is likely they will lose by a far bigger margin than 48/52.

Well a people's vote could give choices about the type of Brexit, (TM's deal, a softer "Norway' type deal, or staying in EU (possibly) so therefore be helpful, surely?

The Brexiteers will be up in arms because they know it is likely they will lose by a far bigger margin than 48/52.

Not necessarily, most people looking into it have shown that polling is still fairly even and not changed enough to warrant any side being certain of a victory.

Also, a lot of MP's are worried and realise they will have to spell out a lot more of the federalisation of the EU as the narrative and general understanding has moved on somewhat since the initial ref, which could swing a lot of "change from within" remainers.

The only people who are openly calling for a second ref are proposing so by trying to split the leave vote into 2 variants with 1 remain option.

Its a shit show and looks like we are heading for a no deal in March IMO

Not what I want but I reckon Leave would win again by a small margin, unless the Leave vote was divided into different Leave options. So would be a waste of money to have another Referendum.

Leaving March 2019 is :( outcome for Britain, sure.
Last night on R4... the Briefing Room was laying out different versions of 'No Deal' Brexit. Worth a listen.

Remainer here who vote vote for TM Withdrawal Agreement on the basis that anything is better than No Deal if we have to Leave.

In fact I will take that back after yougovs latest poll

twitter.com/RCorbettMEP/status/1073521199869816832?s=09

I take yougov polls... I mention that b/c they only get replies from people who take surveys. I know they have ways to adjust, but there are hard to reach groups they always mis-estimate, and people who answer surveys who don't vote.

I do You Gov polls too, and I don't think they should be taken too seriously. They are just opinions and as YeOldeTrout says, confined to those who take surveys.

By definition, any survey result is confined to those who take surveys. It doesn't make the result invalid. YouGov reaches a very wide and large range of people, so it would be a foolish government that ignores their results.

How else are we to know what the public want?

I can't believe people are seriously considering another referendum.
It would turn into a farce as the result is likely to be close. If Remain managed to scrape through Leavers would be demanding yet another vote so it could be best of three.