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Just to put my mind at rest about self ID.

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 10:36

What will be put in place to stop a peodophile /fetishist sitting in a female swimming changing room watching people undress?
I'd like facts rather than "I would think" and "i assume"

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PlantsArePeopleToo · 04/10/2018 16:15

Terms way? Meant harm's way obviously.

PlantsArePeopleToo · 04/10/2018 16:17

So if a woman doesn't want to share female spaces with an obvious male bodied person then she's a transphobe.

But if she does use said toilet with male bodied person and is subsequently attacked then it will no doubt be her fault for putting herself in the situation to begin with.

Women just can't win can we?

PlantsArePeopleToo · 04/10/2018 16:19

I understand that there are transsexuals out there who get it Captain. It's just a shame the woke brigade seem unable to grasp what problems it could cause.

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 04/10/2018 16:30

A whole lot of transexuals, actual transexuals are horrified by the new wave of "transgender" activists who are damaging their reputation, transgender activists want to place themselves higher than woman, most transsexuals want to live along side women, if that makes sense.
I suspect the higher up 'woke brigade' know but have no interest in anything other than removing womans rights, and the followers have the mob mentality where they don't think.

if there is no need for transexuals to use self ID, why do transgender folks want it so badly?

There's no sense to it, other than a way to remove rights.

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 04/10/2018 18:41

These transsexuals of course are anti-trans bigots, becuase that makes sense.

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HandlebarTash81 · 04/10/2018 19:11

This is exactly it, isn’t it? Of course people know. Of course there are things they could do but people in power love any excuse to keep women down.

RatRolyPoly · 04/10/2018 19:30

Hi CaptainKirkssparetupee, I haven't read your whole thread but I will answer your question.

What will prevent a paedophile from sitting in a changing room watching little girls naked in a world with self-I'd is the exact same thing that prevents them doing that now. That is not, as you might think, some law that prevents men entering a female changing room. That law doesn't exist. What prevents it right now is responsible individuals with a social conscience and some common sense. That's exactly what we have right now, and we won't all become incompetent idiots overnight just because of self-Id.

It's not foolproof, it never has been, and it will be far less effective if our feminist "friends" go around spreading nonsense that challenging some dude who's been sat in the ladies' for an hour doing nothing but drooling is suddenly going to be "not allowed". That is misinformation that puts women and girls at risk. It is dangerous, and it will result in women and girls getting hurt.

It's also untrue.

If someone, penis or no penis, is doing fuck all in a changing room, or is behaving oddly, or causes you to raise an eyebrow, you have the power to challenge them and the owners of that facility have the power to throw them out for any damn reason they like forever and ever amen. That is a fact. That is basic common sense. Yes, some devious fuckers will slip through the net. No more devious fuckers than do right now. So keep on being a sensible, responsible citizen and the world will not grind to a halt.

Enjoy your thread. Please help women and children by reminding everyone that they have, and will always have, the power to exercise good judgement and common sense. Goodnight.

NopeNi · 04/10/2018 19:34

Rat, that's nonsense.

You know it is.

You know that real women have already been hurt because of the assumption of self-ID becoming enshrined in law.

Why do you keep lying?

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 04/10/2018 19:35

RatRolyPoly I'm sorry you didn't read through the thread.

That is not, as you might think, some law that prevents men entering a female changing room.

No it's a law that makes it easy to expell them from a changing room.

Yes, some devious fuckers will slip through the net.

What is in place to prevent this?
Or to prevent attackers folling trans people into womans spaces?

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RatRolyPoly · 04/10/2018 19:43

i'm sorry you didn't read through the thread.

Oh don't worry, it was just all so familiar after the first few posts.

No it's a law that makes it easy to expell them from a changing room.

Please don't misinform people that they will no longer be able to go up to someone and say, "I'm sorry, we have some concerns around your behaviour, we'd like to ask you to leave". Because that's simply not true.

What is in place to prevent this? Or to prevent attackers folling trans people into womans spaces?

Well exactly, what IS in place to prevent it? RIGHT NOW, I mean? The answer is... common sense. What will the answer be with self - id? You guessed it, common sense.

Except it WON'T be if our good friends go around telling everyone they suddenly have to abandon all reason because trans people no longer have to get a doctor's note.

RatRolyPoly · 04/10/2018 19:44

Oh, and I didn't understand the second sentence of that last quote.

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 04/10/2018 19:46

The word you couldn't work out is 'following'.
ow missing.

Please don't misinform people that they will no longer be able to go up to someone and say, "I'm sorry, we have some concerns around your behaviour, we'd like to ask you to leave". Because that's simply not true.

They will kick off yeah, just like the would now?

Do you agree?

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RatRolyPoly · 04/10/2018 19:51

Oh, and just for future reference quite a number of us are quite sick of endlessly explaining these basic principles (or indeed not wasting our time) that we now choose to hide certain areas of the site. This is so we can enjoy the female centred support and entertainment that we find here.

Perhaps in future you might be so kind as to place queries of this nature in the FWR section,where your query will be well received. You know, just so that us trans-inclusive types need not feel uncomfortable in a space we've gone to some lengths to keep free from this particular debate. Thanks.

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 04/10/2018 19:52

I mean if I was asked to leave somewhere, for example a disabled toilet when i had every right to be there I'd kick off, it's my right after all.
You probably agree it is likely to happen?
And it will be easier to do this when you have Self ID as a "reason" for being there?

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 04/10/2018 19:54

Perhaps in future you might be so kind as to place queries of this nature in the FWR section,where your query will be well received. You know, just so that us trans-inclusive types need not feel uncomfortable in a space we've gone to some lengths to keep free from this particular debate.

I know what it's like, people want to segregate others for other reason too.

We get it all the time with us being pushed back to the SN board.

Can you think of other reasons segregation is okay?

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 04/10/2018 19:55

Oh, and just for future reference quite a number of us are quite sick of endlessly explaining these basic principles (or indeed not wasting our time) that we now choose to hide certain areas of the site. This is so we can enjoy the female centred support and entertainment that we find here.

Again i get it, look at how many threads have to explain autism for example, on and on. But is it possible you are either not explaining well enough or that the explainations leave questions?

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RatRolyPoly · 04/10/2018 19:56

Are your asking me to predict the behaviour of a hypothetical paedophile up to no good in a swimming pool changing room? I'll tell you something, your approach is a new one on me.

itsbritneybiatches · 04/10/2018 19:57

This may of been answered in other threads but here goes.

If a man or women who is on the sexual offenders
Register changes their name or their gender
Or sex is their history still linked to them? If they change their name is it still linked?

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 04/10/2018 19:59

Are your asking me to predict the behaviour of a hypothetical paedophile up to no good in a swimming pool changing room? I'll tell you something, your approach is a new one on me.

No I'm asking what you would do if you were in a space you had every right to be in and someone asked you to leave.
Isn't it boarding on discrimination?

or indeed not wasting our time

Sorry for forcing you to this thread and making you type out a response. and wasting your (and maybe others with you, you say 'we'?) time....

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 04/10/2018 20:01

your approach is a new one on me.

I have worrying questions that are intrusive thoughts and they go around and around. It isn't an 'approach' so much as putting my mind to rest.

I do thank you for taking the time to answer me, I'm guessing you were supposed to do other things and i stopped that.

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RatRolyPoly · 04/10/2018 20:02

I'm answering your questions sweetheart.

I mean if I was asked to leave somewhere, for example a disabled toilet when i had every right to be there I'd kick off, it's my right after all. You probably agree it is likely to happen? And it will be easier to do this when you have Self ID as a "reason" for being there?

Now you're getting all confused. If you were using a disabled loo you had every right to use and nobody had cause to raise an eyebrow, why would anyone ask you to leave?

I'm talking about when someone's behaviour is.. You know... Off. That's what we're telling about isn't it? Perverts? Paedophiles?

If you want a law that allows you to chuck any quietly minding her own business woman out of a changing room because her Adam's apple can't possibly be xx then just come out and say it. But you said you wanted to protect people from perverts. You know, the ones who do perverted stuff?

So yes, with self-I'd you won't be able to chuck out Jane on account of her big hands (I cry for you), but you asked about Mike with the drool and the semi.

Mate, we can still kick out Mike with self-id.

Sorry you don't just get to hate on trans people though gutted for you.

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 04/10/2018 20:02

Also if it's new to you that means this thread isn't infact, like all the others you are sick of...

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 04/10/2018 20:03

I'm talking about when someone's behaviour is.. You know... Off. That's what we're telling about isn't it? Perverts? Paedophiles?

Well, first i'm not your sweetheart.
Secondly don't they look like everyone else?

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RatRolyPoly · 04/10/2018 20:04

Aw man, now I feel bad for being snippy at you in my last post. Sorry, I've had a botch of a day and I was hoping to avoid the trans debate having recently hidden the FWR boards. I guess this turning up in chat has shown me how weak I am to resist and I'm annoyed at myself - shouldn't be taking it out on you! Please accept my apology?

CaptainKirkssparetupee · 04/10/2018 20:04

If you want a law that allows you to chuck any quietly minding her own business woman out of a changing room because her Adam's apple can't possibly be xx then just come out and say it.

I don't WANT anything, I'm asking quite politely what is in place?

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