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Just to put my mind at rest about self ID.

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 10:36

What will be put in place to stop a peodophile /fetishist sitting in a female swimming changing room watching people undress?
I'd like facts rather than "I would think" and "i assume"

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 20:43

of course this is speculation, which this thread isn't about.

I'm sure someone knows what will happen to prove someone is genuine.

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 20:45

This whole thread is still very one sided, my mate wrenika made a good point before when they pointed out the figures don't add up.

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 20:46

Booboostwo Will asking for proof be allowed in a situation like in my OP?

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Booboostwo · 03/10/2018 20:49

Fairenuf no, I didn’t say anything even close to that.

Captain I am sure there will be a bureaucratic , legally binding process for self ID as there is for a variety of other this, e.g. registering a birth, getting married, changing your name. The UK does not have ID cards at present so you won’t be able to demand proof of someone claim but I am not sure why that is relevant. I have Greek ID card which proves my name, date of birth, address, etc, the UK seems to manage without, but if you think it would be better to have them fine.

Personally I am all for unisex toilets and changing rooms with individual cubicles. Changing rooms are frequently unisex in France and that in itself does not seem to raise rates of sexual assaults, rapes, voyeurism, etc.

Of course the underprosecution of sexual crimes is a huge issue, I am just not sure why you think trans women should be penalized for this!

Lazypoolday · 03/10/2018 20:50

Single sex toilets and changing rooms are not magic places that keep sex offenders, perverts and abusers out.

So why have them at all then? Would you support mixed sex communal changing rooms?

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 20:51

Let's also not forget wrenika's point about not all crime being commited by men, skewing crime statistics....

I hadn't thought of that, it's a lesser issue but still one i'm glad wrenika raised, isn't it going to be a bit awkward and screw up statistics.

Not that statistics bother you ah' wrenika Wink (our little inside joke there)

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Booboostwo · 03/10/2018 20:51

What is in place now to stop a paedophile walking into a changing room? He can walk into any male changing room and, assuming a talent for make up, he can also disguise himself as a woman, walk into any female changing room and linger without getting undressed.

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 20:52

Captain I am sure

I'm sorry my op said only facts, if you don't know then please don't guess. "I am sure" isn't a fact that has been put in place is it.

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Hayles88 · 03/10/2018 20:53

CaptainKirkssparetupee Are you drunk? You've posted post after post minute after each other literally harrassing another poster for a reply. No matter if I agree with your points your conduct makes a mockery of what you are saying. It's quite a back step in getting people to see what your point is and actually makes you look ridiculous.

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 20:53

and, assuming a talent

"Assuming" Again facts!

What is in place now to stop a paedophile walking into a changing room?

Nothing but right now it's far easier to get him out of the changing room.

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Prestonsflowers · 03/10/2018 20:54

booboostwo

He would need to be an incredible make up artist

Booboostwo · 03/10/2018 20:55

How would you even know a paedophile walked into the dressing room? And how would you know he had a penis? How exactly do you demand that someone show you their genitalia?!

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 20:56

CaptainKirkssparetupee Are you drunk?

No i am manic, i have a disability, this subject is literally all i can currenttly think about, so the posts reflect how my head currently is.

actually makes you look ridiculous

I'm looking for answers, looking good really isn't what i care about.

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Lazypoolday · 03/10/2018 20:57

assuming a talent for make up, he can also disguise himself as a woman, walk into any female changing room and linger without getting undressed.

I don't think any amount of talent for make up could make "jacinta" Brooks into a passable woman. The same applies for most males really . They can be challenged
now if they are hanging around where they shouldn't be, no matter how innocent they may seem. Self id will make someone a bigot for doing so

Just to put my mind at rest about self ID.
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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 20:57

How would you even know a paedophile walked into the dressing room? And how would you know he had a penis? How exactly do you demand that someone show you their genitalia?!

Well this is the issue isn't it, the answer is you don't, but the laws are currently in place to help if someone is making other people uncomfortable.

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Booboostwo · 03/10/2018 20:58

You are also confused about what facts are. Since the gender recognition act has not been passed into law yet there are no true facts about what it is like as it hasn’t yet been passed into law, But as it has provisions for a legally binding declaration then we can with some certainty say that we are sure that the content of the proposed law will be the reality of the law once ratified by the relevant law making bodies.

Fairenuff · 03/10/2018 20:58

What is in place now to stop a paedophile walking into a changing room?

The fact that he can be challenged of course.

Is that not obvious?

If a man is in a sex segregated, female only space he can be asked to leave.

If self ID goes ahead there is no way to distinguish between a transwoman and a non trans pervert or paedophile.

Hayles88 · 03/10/2018 21:00

Well, in the nicest way, maybe you need to step away for a bit as really all you are doing is harassing a poster repeatedly about their opinion, which they have every right to have and a one post response to it would be enough. Post after post goading them is not on or fair no matter what you agree with or believe in.

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 21:00

the reality of the law once ratified by the relevant law making bodies

So we are supposed to go ahead with something, before we know the impacts or the safe guarding situation?

What happened to risk Assessment?

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Booboostwo · 03/10/2018 21:01

There are no laws in place to allow you to demand to see someone’s genitalia on the basis that their presence is making you uncomfortable. None at all. That is a fact.

If you seriously are experiencing mental health issues and focusing on this thread because of them you should stop posting. On the possibility that you are, I am not posting anything further.

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 21:01

Hayles88
I have stopped. and it wasn't opinion i was challenging it was that their facts don't add up.

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 21:02

There are no laws in place to allow you to demand to see someone’s genitalia on the basis that their presence is making you uncomfortable. None at all. That is a fact.

But this isn't the issue is it.

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Fairenuff · 03/10/2018 21:02

How exactly do you demand that someone show you their genitalia?!

Most people can tell a person's sex just by looking at them. You don't need to see their genitals. It's very rare that I see someone so androgynous that I can't tell their sex and then I can just look for clues such as height, hand and feet size, adam's apple, etc.

MrsAird · 03/10/2018 21:04

Individuals who want to self ID need to present themselves and make a legally binding declaration that they identify as the other sex, which they are expected to stick to

Well, that's fine then. As long as they are expected to stick to it.

For how long exactly?
More than an hour? Until the next day?

How can you tell if someone isn't sticking to it? What if they never really meant it?

What would that look like?

Who is going to be checking?

Everyone expected my colleague to stick to the company rules not to steal from our employer, but she didn't .

When I was sexually assaulted, I expected my assailant to stick to the law, but he didn't.

Hayles88 · 03/10/2018 21:04

it was that their facts don't add up.

In your opinion. The facts they have posted are fine they just differ from other sets you are posting. You won't win by being belligerent and stand offish. I'm not engaging with this anymore. You're doing more harm than good.