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Original poster

Just to put my mind at rest about self ID.

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 10:36

What will be put in place to stop a peodophile /fetishist sitting in a female swimming changing room watching people undress?
I'd like facts rather than "I would think" and "i assume"

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 20:13

wrenika Would you agree that put logically like this it does appear, quite blatantly to be discrimination?

Or are not all these types of women Equal?

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 20:14

wrenika

Either there are diffences or there are not, which is it?

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Molokonono · 03/10/2018 20:14

But even if the transman isn't in there just for kicks - why should a young girl (or any female) be faced with an adult penis in a female space?

A trans man is a female who identifies as a man.

This is about trans women, who retain their penises, which 80% or more do.

now, I am sure wrenika can solve this for me.

How do women and girls know the difference between:
a man
a man with the intent to assault or rape someone
a transwoman?

Lovely, thanks.

If it was at a shop I'd speak to the staff. "I don't want to try these clothes on with a man watching me. Can you provide me with a private space - eg the manager's office, or shall I put the clothes back on the rail and shop elsewhere?"

They would already have asked you to leave, as you would be a bigot.

If you called the police, they would likely arrest you, for hate speech as that man with his penis exposed, is a woman.

Stella Creasy, when it happened to a girl at school, with a 'girl' masturbating his penis in the changing rooms in front of her, showed zero signs of concern at this. ZERO.

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 20:16

wrenika

You came here to set me right, where are you?

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misscockerspaniel · 03/10/2018 20:17

Wrenika What currently stops a man perving at us in the ladies loos etc?

Well, for starters, the majority of perverts wouldn't have the balls to openly go into the women's dressing room. Self-ID changes that because it gives them permission to do so.

Then there is the simple fact that if faced with a man where we are not expecting to see one, we can kick up a fuss. With self-ID, we would be expected to put-up-and-shut-up.

Self-ID is a perverts' charter, a pass to access all areas.

What do you not get?

MyAuntyBadger · 03/10/2018 20:18

You wouldn't always even know that he'd seen you. He could've popped in (unchallenged) and left a discreet camera on his way to work and collected it on his way home. (Ref; Target stores in America.)

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 20:18

wrenika I like you, but i seems the conversation is a bit one sided, i have all these questions and you have one paragraph that doesn't make much sense when you think about it in comparasion to stonewalls own facts on their website.

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Fairenuff · 03/10/2018 20:18

OP you will not find any logic in the trans ideology. This is why they don't want debate. All logical conclusions will show that removing safe guarding for women and girls just puts them at risk. Obviously.

FekkoTheLawyer · 03/10/2018 20:19

Nothing from what I can see - but I'm sure the police will punish the Bad Men who attack or peep at women and girls. 🙄

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 20:23

wrenika If you dont' have any answers I don't blame you your paragraph was some rubbish you clearly read online and didn't think about.

You've probably realised i'm a bit manic, asking all these trick questions like "can i have some proof" and "if trans women are women why did the post offend".

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Booboostwo · 03/10/2018 20:25

Self ID does not mean I say am a different sex and legally I become that. Individuals who want to self ID need to present themselves and make a legally binding declaration that they identify as the other sex, which they are expected to stick to. Fraudulent or flippant use of self ID will be subject to legal penalties like other types of identity fraud or misuse of the law.

If a person, trans or otherwise, engages in public masturbation, voyeurism or other sex offences they will be prosecuted regardless of their sex.

Single sex toilets and changing rooms are not magic places that keep sex offenders, perverts and abusers out.

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 20:28

wrenika (or anyone else who wants to help me) I'm sure you know that most but not all violent crime, like rape and most paedophilia is commited by those with a penis, this is why we are using this as an example. it's not because "all crime is commited by men" it's because statisticlly crimes by men are higher.

I won't post the figures, i'm more than sure you are able to find them yourself wrenika, although to be honest i'm not sure fact checking is something you are accustom to. I can help if you need it.

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Fairenuff · 03/10/2018 20:28

Booboo so what you are saying is that a straight man, not trans, can sit in a female changing area and watch everyone change and because he hasn't committed any offence, nothing can be done about it. Is that right?

PositivelyPERF · 03/10/2018 20:28

Funny you should mention that, FekkoTheLawyer. A delightful individual couldn’t understand the problem, on DB’s twitter. Apparently we’re being silly and can just phone the police, if someone is attacked. Let’s hope those words don’t come back to haunt her, if self I’d goes through. If only I’d known that reporting the sexual abuse and rape I suffered, as a result of having a little girl’s body (shame I didn’t think to declare myself a boy, to put the pervert off Hmm) would have solved all my problems. I wouldn’t have needed all that medication and counselling. Phoneing the police would have solved it all.

RandomlyChosenName · 03/10/2018 20:29

If transwomen are in danger in the men's changing room from men, I can't see how self ID helps them- the men endangering them could self ID as women and follow them into the ladies...

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 20:29

Individuals who want to self ID need to present themselves and make a legally binding declaration that they identify as the other sex, which they are expected to stick to
Thank you, how is this done?
Although part of me really want's to sarcastically say "Laws of course, can never be broken."

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 20:31

Booboostwo

Will there be ID cards, will it be discrimination to ask for prrof that someone is a woman in situations like this?

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 20:33

If transwomen are in danger in the men's changing room from men, I can't see how self ID helps them- the men endangering them could self ID as women and follow them into the ladies...

wrenika cleared this up, nobody can tell the difference so the figures on this are fake...
Or wrenika was lying, which i don't think is true wrenika is a good friend of mine and has helped me alot in this thread.

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Deadbudgie · 03/10/2018 20:35

Nothing. So many people are for it because it’s the liberal virtue signal du jour. you can always tell what this years in virtue signal is by the proliferation of a type of person on the x factor

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 20:37

Booboostwo

I know i'd be pissed off if i was constantly asked for i'd. Wouldn't you?

Do you think this is what's going to happen?

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exLtEveDallas · 03/10/2018 20:38

Individuals who want to self ID need to present themselves and make a legally binding declaration that they identify as the other sex, which they are expected to stick to

How are we going to know they've done that?

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 20:40

Although the realistic side of me thinks questioning someones gender will be frowned upon.....

I bet asking for proof in a situation like that will be a massive infringment of rights.

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Molokonono · 03/10/2018 20:40

Individuals who want to self ID need to present themselves and make a legally binding declaration that they identify as the other sex, which they are expected to stick to

What, when they pay at reception?

If a person, trans or otherwise, engages in public masturbation, voyeurism or other sex offences they will be prosecuted regardless of their sex.

Less than 1% of rapes are 'prosecuted'. You really think that this is going to up the figures to 100% - that is great - how's that going to work exactly?

www.rainn.org/statistics/criminal-justice-system

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CaptainKirkssparetupee · 03/10/2018 20:41

Booboostwo do you agree with the above?

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BiologyMatters · 03/10/2018 20:43

Fraudulent or flippant use of self ID will be subject to legal penalties like other types of identity fraud or misuse of the law.

What is the proposed penalty for falsely self identifying as the opposite sex? I've not heard anything about any penalties?