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Neighbour not giving the kids' balls back...

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MinecraftMother · 16/09/2018 20:06

We've lived here for 4 years and we are by far the youngest people in our cud-d-sac. Very rural village.

Got on with her at the beginning - invites into our house for a brew; sorted out our party wall without asking her for a contribution; called in on her when we hadn't seen her for a while and lots of shopping (for which we asked no payment) during the snow when she wasn't happy about going out in the car. I also helped her with something at the Land Registry because she got a dodge phone call from someone about her house so I gave her some advice and did all that for free of course - I'm a solicitor btw.

There is a park just up the lane so the kids don't generally play anything in the garden save badminton and trampoline.

We perhaps have a ball go into her garden once every three months - I'm tell you think because if we were bothering her every day I'd see her point.

The last couple of times husband and kids (and on occasion our nanny) went around to get the ball she went inside and hid.

My husband then decided to lower our 9 yo into her garden to collect the balls for himself. There were about 4 from the last year, I think longer actually but couldn't be sure.

She then had a go at husband over the fence because of this trespass. I don't agree with what husband did.

It ended after a little while when she said that she didn't think the kids should be playing with balls in their garden, she was afraid of being hit by them in her own garden (i was listening from upstairs - I didn't want to join in as it would be very top heavy against her and despite her failings, I didn't want to get into it with her AND my husband! That would be stressful for her).

Husband told her to get a grip and that there is literally zero chance of her getting hit because here are large tree her side of the fence so the balls go over, hit the tree and slide down. THe balls land about 1 foot from the fence, if you see what I mean?

That was the end of their argument and we haven't spoke since. I didn't want her to feel uncomfortable living next to us, we are many and she is solo, so when I saw her I waved a greeting but she just ignored me.

This evening the eldest got a new rugby ball and it ended up in her garden. Eldest and nanny went around to get it and she said something along the lines of "I did ask that you didn't play with the balls" and she (I think anyway) intimated she'd chuck it over.

It still isn't here. I'm fairly fucked off.

Husband said to her during their heated conversation that she didn't need to chuck it over, she could just notice it behind her trees and bring it to the front of the house when she was next going that way and we'd collect it from there when we saw it.

The front of all our houses are not fenced in, so we'd see it, the whole road is open plan so we'd spot the ball, we could lean over, grab it and that would be that.

She has a bad back so this is why she can't throw it over, she said.

How do we move forward?

I don't want to go around and get heated and intimidate her. Although she's a massive pain in my arse after me being such a (genuinely) decent (and modest 😂) neighbour.

A letter? Perhaps something along the lines of "buy a house with a fuck pot of land around it if you don't want to deal with this type of shit"...but less confrontational...

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Gardeninginsummer1 · 16/09/2018 20:09

Jeez. You've got more front than Blackpool.
You don't want to intimate her?! Over a ball...i should think not.

Birdsgottafly · 16/09/2018 20:09

How old is she?

Gardeninginsummer1 · 16/09/2018 20:10

*intimidate her.

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Havaina · 16/09/2018 20:12

Unfortunately there's nothing you can do except write the ball off. Tell DS to keep ball games to the park.

It's galling because you have been so nice to her. No more shopping for her, no legal advice, no favours ever.

lunar1 · 16/09/2018 20:13

How about not throwing things in her garden, and not trespassing for a start?

Birdsgottafly · 16/09/2018 20:14

Besides her age, your DH is out of order telling her "to get a grip". I've been Ill for two years and have felt very vulnerable. Walking past boys playing football, has frightened me. I can't quite put my finger on why.

Is she reclusive etc?

Havaina · 16/09/2018 20:14

You don't want to intimate her?! Over a ball...i should think not.

OP doesn't want a two-against-one argument with her. That's a nice thing, don't know what you're sneering at.

Sparklingbrook · 16/09/2018 20:15

i don't think this is worth the drama TBH.

Buy a new rugby ball and don't play with it in the garden.

Don't do her any more favours either.

HundredMilesAnHour · 16/09/2018 20:16

Why are you being so horrible to your neighbour? You claim your kids only play badminton and trampoline in the garden so where are all these balls coming from? Doesn't sound like you're being entirely truthful.

Your husband was out of order. It's her garden. Leave the poor woman in peace. She's probably already feeling intimidated and now you want to send her letter?! How about you send your kids to the park to play with their balls there and then the problem ends immediately.

Plexie · 16/09/2018 20:16

Well the obvious answer is for the kids to stop knocking balls into her garden ...

You say the balls are hitting a tree in her garden and then sliding down - can she actually see the balls easily or are you expecting her to patrol her side of the fence regularly to see if a ball just happens to be there?

MinecraftMother · 16/09/2018 20:16

She's about 70 I think. I am aware that she might find someone knocking on her door (or doubling up over the fence) to talk about the kids' balls confrontational.

So no front here, just awareness of someone else's feelings is all.

If you want a fight fuck off to AIBU. I have a genuine query here.

I don't really want to write off the balls to be honest. I don't think it's fair in a community to behave like this esp towards people who've been nothing but (honestly) completely decent to her.

We live too close to each other for this kind of carry on.

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endofthelinefinally · 16/09/2018 20:16

The balls should not be going into her garden. Neither should your family members.

AndromedaPerseus · 16/09/2018 20:17

I’d tell my dc to avoid kicking their balls into NDN garden or I’ll take them to the park to play. Kids constantly kicking balls into other people’s garden is annoying as are their constant demands to return said balls. I’ve been hit by them had plants flattened and pots broken by them. It’s not her job to return their balls and I’d call the police if your dh kept trespassing onto my property to collect them. If you had posted on AIBU then I’d have said you YABVU

MinecraftMother · 16/09/2018 20:21

She could see the balls yes because it's just trunks at the bottom, not bushes.

Neighbour told the kids not to play ball in their garden because she was afraid they would hit her in her garden, that's when he told her to get a grip. She was giving as good as she got. There was no name calling (from either side) but it did get heated.

And I told husband and kids they aren't to go in anyone's garden without permission in the future. FWIW husband held kid's ankles and dropped his down over the fence to scoop up the ball.

And it really is that infrequent. If a shuttlecock went over I wouldn't care, but rugby and footballs are quite expensive and I think she's being deliberately obtuse which is, in this case, not fair after how decent we've been to her over the years.

She isn't reclusive no, but prefers not to drive I think.

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bigbluebus · 16/09/2018 20:21

If your kids want to play ball in the garden get one on a piece of elastic so it doesn't go over the fence. Save playing with loose ball for the park. Your 9 year old is surely old enough to go to the park unaccompanied.

LIVIA999 · 16/09/2018 20:22

I think she's being a bit mean but I don't know if there is much you can do. I suppose the only thing is maybe go round with some flowers and try and show your side and explain they are just children and it's not their fault.
Maybe she is feeling vulnerable if she is elderly and worried she might get wacked with a ball. Our neighbours have two boys and a ball being flung high around the garden when you are sitting out can make you feel a bit edgy I guess.
Is it landing in her flowers maybe?

MinecraftMother · 16/09/2018 20:24

Also trespass is a civil matter, not a criminal matter but that's by the by.

The eldest can go to the park to play ball but why should he? Why, if every 11 or 12 weeks his ball ends up in the neighbour's garden so not a very frequent or irritating thing, should he not be able to expect a nice neighbour to return it (eventually in her own time).

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Whisky2014 · 16/09/2018 20:24

I think balls being kicked and thrown around really annoying and id be super pissed to always have balls left in my garden. It sounds like there was fair few in her garden at one point?
Write the ball off. She clearly doesnt like them and you should make your kids play ball games in the park instead if they cant contain the ball in your own garden.

Scabetty · 16/09/2018 20:25

Your children trespassed and quite a few balls have ended up in her garden. Can’t your nanny take them to the park? Maybe your neighbour has plants she doesn’t want damaged or is irrationally anxious or is a miserable old boot. I would forget the ball and ignore het.

FlibbertyGiblets · 16/09/2018 20:25

Write off ball and play ball games in the park in future.

If she's not driving she might be unsteady on her legs so her flinching is not good.

MinecraftMother · 16/09/2018 20:26

No flowers at the side of her garden - only the trees there.

It is very mean spirited and I feel a tad hurt and a bit like a mug for being so nice in the past.

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Gardeninginsummer1 · 16/09/2018 20:26

Do you normally tell folk to fuck off? what a charmer you must be.

LIVIA999 · 16/09/2018 20:26

And I suppose maybe getting asked for a ball might be a bit annoying if she's having to get up and down.
Since my Dad retired he's got a bit obsessive about things and it seems my friends say the same things about their parents. Maybe she's just on her own and getting herself in a tizzy about it.
It's the winter soon so they won't be out much anyhow maybe save the football and rugby for the park and get some other things for the garden

TwistedStitch · 16/09/2018 20:26

She doesn't want to be engaging with you or returning balls so your kids now play with them in the garden at their own risk. And your husband is massively out of order for trespassing on her property and then having a 'heated' argument with her. He should have been apologising for what he did not telling her to get a grip.

Havaina · 16/09/2018 20:27

OP, there is no onus on her to return the ball to you. The only way you can legally get her to compensate you for the loss of the ball is to take her to court.

If you insist on letting dc play ball games, then I would continue lowering dc into garden to get the ball back (at a she is likely to be out or asleep). It's legally and ethically dodge but she's unlikely to sue your dc for trespassing on her property.

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