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Neighbour not giving the kids' balls back...

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MinecraftMother · 16/09/2018 20:06

We've lived here for 4 years and we are by far the youngest people in our cud-d-sac. Very rural village.

Got on with her at the beginning - invites into our house for a brew; sorted out our party wall without asking her for a contribution; called in on her when we hadn't seen her for a while and lots of shopping (for which we asked no payment) during the snow when she wasn't happy about going out in the car. I also helped her with something at the Land Registry because she got a dodge phone call from someone about her house so I gave her some advice and did all that for free of course - I'm a solicitor btw.

There is a park just up the lane so the kids don't generally play anything in the garden save badminton and trampoline.

We perhaps have a ball go into her garden once every three months - I'm tell you think because if we were bothering her every day I'd see her point.

The last couple of times husband and kids (and on occasion our nanny) went around to get the ball she went inside and hid.

My husband then decided to lower our 9 yo into her garden to collect the balls for himself. There were about 4 from the last year, I think longer actually but couldn't be sure.

She then had a go at husband over the fence because of this trespass. I don't agree with what husband did.

It ended after a little while when she said that she didn't think the kids should be playing with balls in their garden, she was afraid of being hit by them in her own garden (i was listening from upstairs - I didn't want to join in as it would be very top heavy against her and despite her failings, I didn't want to get into it with her AND my husband! That would be stressful for her).

Husband told her to get a grip and that there is literally zero chance of her getting hit because here are large tree her side of the fence so the balls go over, hit the tree and slide down. THe balls land about 1 foot from the fence, if you see what I mean?

That was the end of their argument and we haven't spoke since. I didn't want her to feel uncomfortable living next to us, we are many and she is solo, so when I saw her I waved a greeting but she just ignored me.

This evening the eldest got a new rugby ball and it ended up in her garden. Eldest and nanny went around to get it and she said something along the lines of "I did ask that you didn't play with the balls" and she (I think anyway) intimated she'd chuck it over.

It still isn't here. I'm fairly fucked off.

Husband said to her during their heated conversation that she didn't need to chuck it over, she could just notice it behind her trees and bring it to the front of the house when she was next going that way and we'd collect it from there when we saw it.

The front of all our houses are not fenced in, so we'd see it, the whole road is open plan so we'd spot the ball, we could lean over, grab it and that would be that.

She has a bad back so this is why she can't throw it over, she said.

How do we move forward?

I don't want to go around and get heated and intimidate her. Although she's a massive pain in my arse after me being such a (genuinely) decent (and modest 😂) neighbour.

A letter? Perhaps something along the lines of "buy a house with a fuck pot of land around it if you don't want to deal with this type of shit"...but less confrontational...

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Meandyoumake2 · 16/09/2018 21:37

I think the neighbour is unreasonable. I live in a detached house however there is children at either side and I would say around 3 days a week (sometimes 3 times a day at the weekend) I could end up with a ball in the garden - albeit I am a bit younger than your neighbour but it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I just throw them back,the odd time that I haven't seen it they have knocked and I have returned it. I feel like it's part of childhood that kids can play in their own back garden. Sometimes it can go onto 10 at night or first thing on a Saturday morning but that's another story 😂

Saggital · 16/09/2018 21:39

I noticed that too Costa , there’s a sort of ‘ownership’ going on. Not sure what to think of the neighbour, but that’s not important now.

MinecraftMother · 16/09/2018 21:40

My OP says he was wrong to do it and I told him not to do it again.

You say the family are twats, how do? The kids aren't twats, don't say that about them. I haven't been a twat. I've kept out of it completely. The only contact I've had with her in the last year was to ask for access to mend (her) fence and see if she was ok in the heatwave and earlier than that get her provisions when it snowed and we were going out.

The husband was wrong to dangle the child over but that doesn't make the rest of his family twats.

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SinkGirl · 16/09/2018 21:41

Some of the responses here are ridiculous. My neighbour’s little boy kicks balls into our garden about 10 times a day during the summer - the only time I’ve even got vaguely irritated is when one almost hit me in the face. He has permission to come and get them back if I’m not around or I’ll throw them back if I’m out there. There’s just no need for so much hostility over a few balls.

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Badcat666 · 16/09/2018 21:45

Dear gods, when I was young my mum would never expect our elderly neighbour to get our balls for us nor would we be allowed to go over their fence to get them.

We were made to wait until the weekend and then we had to knock during a reasonable hour in the afternoon to ask VERY VERY politely if we could go and get our ball back.

Its not your neighbours fault your kids keep knocking balls into her garden ffs.

The world doesn't revolve around your children, have a bit more respect for other ppl and their properties.

Costacoffeeplease · 16/09/2018 21:45

But he did it, whether you gave him a rocket afterwards or not. I would have been incandescent had he done that in my garden, how dare he?

Havaina · 16/09/2018 21:45

Well, you did ask, OP. Can't blame me for answering.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 16/09/2018 21:55

Even not counting all you’ve done for her I think your neighbour is being a cow. Your children are allowed to play in their garden they shouldn’t have to run off to the park, balls go over fences, really in the grand scheme of neighbour problems is throwing back over a ball that much to ask. I would be polite but quit running errands etc for her.

KnittingOnEmpty · 16/09/2018 21:58

Maybe neighbour has been having problems of her own and for whatever reason the interaction with your dh rubbed her up the wrong way and she got frazzled. I think you should make a last ditch effort to go round and practise your best solicitor-y interpersonal skills on her. don't send a letter.
If that doesn't work at least you tried.

MinecraftMother · 16/09/2018 22:02

I last checked on her during the heatwave to ensure she had all she needed and (I remember worrying I was patronising her! But then I saw the stats this month about how many people
Died from dehydration this year) asking her to ensure she drank enough, we laughed about it.

She was fine, no worries, her back was grand (it has previously given her gip).

Whatever - I'm going to get this rugby ball back and then burn my end of the bridge.

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HoleyCoMoley · 16/09/2018 22:02

How did your dh manage to climb an 8 foot fence and dangle your dc over the top by their legs, that's so dangerous, he could have slipped, lost his balance or lost his grip. Maybe she has just had enough, whatever has happened it sounds like you no longer have a good relationship with her. I thought you said they only play badminton and trampoline?

MinecraftMother · 16/09/2018 22:05

The outdoor table is close by, he brought it flush to the fence and stood up on it with the 9yo. Not as worrying as it might have sounded - but many thanks for trying to pick holes.

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MinecraftMother · 16/09/2018 22:06

Badminton.
Trampoline.
Football.
Rugby.
Space hoppers.
Dens.
Rock painting.
Picking strawberries and broad beans.

Anything else, Inspector.

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chillpizza · 16/09/2018 22:06

I used to throw balls back till one hit my child. Now my dog gets a new toy till it bursts. They dont seem to come over the fence anymore funnily enough.

IamPickleRick · 16/09/2018 22:10

The more she gives the ball back, the more they won’t be afraid of kicking it over. They’ll think they can just go get it willy nilly. Which your husband has sort of proven.

She’s giving them tough love maybe?

firawla · 16/09/2018 22:11

Can’t believe what a hard time you’re getting here! You’ve been a good neighbour going above and beyond and all your asking for is the ball back - hardly a big deal?! I honestly wouldn’t do anything else for her at all now. Stick to your idea of going to ask for it back and making that point to her. I would actually say to her that you’re quite saddened that after all you’ve done for her she’s choosing to be like this just over a kids ball. It will be her loss when you stop helping her!
Reading all of these over dramatic responses about how awful you apparently are for letting a ball go over now and again, I feel very grateful for my neighbours who let my kids just sneak in the gap at the back of the fence to get balls as and when needed! We did the same growing up too it was never a big deal

LanguidLobster · 16/09/2018 22:11

MinecraftMother you're obviously a nice person and you've tried to be kind to her, please don't get stressed. She's reacted badly to your husband.

Is there any way to stealthily retrieve the ball back? Any other neighbour who could help?

Namelessinseattle · 16/09/2018 22:11

I think if it’s that infrequent I’d just suck up the cost of the ball.

As for being a nice neighbour I generally do that for myself and to be nice and not for reciprocal treatment. If it snowed again and I had an elderly person beside me or I was genuinely worried about a neighbour dying from dehydration in the heat a few very infrequent footballs being kept by her probably wouldn’t stop me from checking on her.

MaryKateWA · 16/09/2018 22:13

Why can't your kids kick away or towards a back fence from her fence rather than in the direction of hers? Or get a big net!

MinecraftMother · 16/09/2018 22:18

Yes I think there might be something in that @IamPickleRick - if she determines not to return them they stop sending them over.

@firawla - aye, it does seem to be a rather hysterical reaction to a fairly
Innocuous situation, but I do have some ideas now and I've been given some
Insight into her thinking which is always helpful.

I think I know how to move on now.

I'm Going to have to get this bloody rugby ball back and ban the ball games in the garden with the proper kit.
Only the sponge/pound land balls to be used here. The others in the park.

Then when bad weather comes or she asks our gardener to top her trees during our hourly rate, she'll see.

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Topseyt · 16/09/2018 22:18

I think you really need to take some steps to reassure her that your husband will never again be so stupid as to dangle one of the children over the fence.

Sorry, but in her shoes I would have been furious about that. I would consider it an intrusion and a betrayal of trust, which could be hard to rebuild.

MinecraftMother · 16/09/2018 22:19

Or I might scoop the ball out from behind the fence...

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scaryteacher · 16/09/2018 22:21

I'm in my 50s and I would be worried if I were to be hit by a ball as I have an auto immune disease that results in massive bruising if I bump into things etc. Your neighbour could have all sorts of things you don't know about that make her nervous about being hit by a ball from an inner ear problem that affects balance to a blood clotting problem.

You can't just dismiss her as unreasonable, when you may not know all her medical history.

ittakes2 · 16/09/2018 22:23

I think it is sad she can't either give the balls back or let your children get them. Its not a big deal every three months or so - that's four times a year. But I think you need to lose the attitude that you helped her as a good neighbour and you expect her to therefore help you back in the way you want her to. If you did these things to help her because you felt it was the right thing to do - then draw a line in the sand as she doesn't owe you anything. But if you did them to bank some positivity incase you wanted her to do something in the future - that's not right. My son takes a football to school and it frustrates me no end when his friends kick it over the fence and I have to go and beg for it back. The most annoying time was when he had borrowed his Uncle's very expensive ball after a mix up and this was lobbed over the fence to a man who was quite clearly lying about the ball not being I have accepted it goes with the territory - I if you kick a ball near a fence - the odds are its going to go over at some point and you need to accept you might not get it back.

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