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I’m a recreational drug user AMA

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alltheleavesarebrwn · 19/09/2026 09:03

As the title says

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DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 19/09/2026 13:52

LyonsKnickers · 19/09/2026 13:50

Are you white?

Wtf?

beenanddonethat · 19/09/2026 15:28

You see I take a different view. I think it should all be legalised. The main issue with any form of drug use is the polycriminality that exists around it - and the quite mind-blowing amount of money it costs in tax payer money to police it all. I also work in law enforcement, specifically modern slavery and organised immigration crime, so am completely aware of the human cost.
However - prohibition NEVER works and the sooner people accept this the better. There has never ever been a human on this earth who has debated in their mind whether or not to take drugs - and the ‘deciding factor’ against doing , being ‘because it’s illegal’ . If people are going to take them , they will find a source. Illegality isn’t even a tiny consideration.

From an economic perspective, we as a country are missing a trick. Consider the gazillions of £££££ we spend on trying to prevent people trying to get hold of drugs? In my office alone (provincial town) we have 14 police officers varying ranks on the county lines team alone. 15 on my MSHT/OIC team. That close on £1m before overtime in ONE police area . Multiply that across the country . Then add in the National Crime Agency. The security services etc. The cost is mind blowing and the worst part is that the exploitation and coercion (esp county lines) is happening BECAUSE drugs are illegal and this creates a space for criminals to flourish and expand.

it is also completely illogical. Why are they illegal ? Because they are ‘bad for you’ ? Then why is alcohol legal ?
A PP stated that there has been a year on year increase on coke related deaths . The reality is that in the year ending 2024 there were 4972 drug misuse deaths in the UK. However , alcohol alone as a cause of death were 9809 but this does not include where it was a contributing factor such as cancer and cardiovascular disease.

so why are we doing this ? It’s bonkers ?
If we can go to Waitrose for a couple of grams and know what it is, and pay tax on it like alcohol, cigarettes, vapes etc then why not ? If you don’t use it now I doubt very much that you will suddenly decide to stick a gram of columbian marching powder up your nose now , just because it’s legal.. anymore than you would take up smoking or decide to sink a pint of vodka a day.. however, if you do use it recreationally (and I am also in this camp) along with a whole swathe of middle class professionals ranging from law enforcement, to head teachers from my personal knowledge. Who would be doing it at weddings , parties etc . For me maybe 2 grams between DH and self 4/5 times a year . The tax you would make on sales and the money you could save on policing would fund an entire elderly care system let alone divert police time and resources to crimes that are barely looked at now like burglary, while they chase their tales trying to save the population from making poor decisions.

I’ve discussed this with very high ranking police officers and none have disagreed - but politicians are too scared to talk about it for fear of the pearl clutchers running around and screaming their kids will all end up smack addicts .. while actively buying booze on their kids behalf to take to naive middle class parties.

OtterlyAstounding · 19/09/2026 15:33

beenanddonethat · 19/09/2026 15:28

You see I take a different view. I think it should all be legalised. The main issue with any form of drug use is the polycriminality that exists around it - and the quite mind-blowing amount of money it costs in tax payer money to police it all. I also work in law enforcement, specifically modern slavery and organised immigration crime, so am completely aware of the human cost.
However - prohibition NEVER works and the sooner people accept this the better. There has never ever been a human on this earth who has debated in their mind whether or not to take drugs - and the ‘deciding factor’ against doing , being ‘because it’s illegal’ . If people are going to take them , they will find a source. Illegality isn’t even a tiny consideration.

From an economic perspective, we as a country are missing a trick. Consider the gazillions of £££££ we spend on trying to prevent people trying to get hold of drugs? In my office alone (provincial town) we have 14 police officers varying ranks on the county lines team alone. 15 on my MSHT/OIC team. That close on £1m before overtime in ONE police area . Multiply that across the country . Then add in the National Crime Agency. The security services etc. The cost is mind blowing and the worst part is that the exploitation and coercion (esp county lines) is happening BECAUSE drugs are illegal and this creates a space for criminals to flourish and expand.

it is also completely illogical. Why are they illegal ? Because they are ‘bad for you’ ? Then why is alcohol legal ?
A PP stated that there has been a year on year increase on coke related deaths . The reality is that in the year ending 2024 there were 4972 drug misuse deaths in the UK. However , alcohol alone as a cause of death were 9809 but this does not include where it was a contributing factor such as cancer and cardiovascular disease.

so why are we doing this ? It’s bonkers ?
If we can go to Waitrose for a couple of grams and know what it is, and pay tax on it like alcohol, cigarettes, vapes etc then why not ? If you don’t use it now I doubt very much that you will suddenly decide to stick a gram of columbian marching powder up your nose now , just because it’s legal.. anymore than you would take up smoking or decide to sink a pint of vodka a day.. however, if you do use it recreationally (and I am also in this camp) along with a whole swathe of middle class professionals ranging from law enforcement, to head teachers from my personal knowledge. Who would be doing it at weddings , parties etc . For me maybe 2 grams between DH and self 4/5 times a year . The tax you would make on sales and the money you could save on policing would fund an entire elderly care system let alone divert police time and resources to crimes that are barely looked at now like burglary, while they chase their tales trying to save the population from making poor decisions.

I’ve discussed this with very high ranking police officers and none have disagreed - but politicians are too scared to talk about it for fear of the pearl clutchers running around and screaming their kids will all end up smack addicts .. while actively buying booze on their kids behalf to take to naive middle class parties.

I agree that legalisation is the best policy. Of course, in the case of cocaine, that wouldn't fix the horrendous industry around it, unless companies began cultivating the plants in the UK.

I'm bewildered that weed is still illegal in the UK and so many other countries though - it's less harmful than alcohol as a substance, and the only reason it causes so much grief is because of the criminal element that keeping it illegal perpetuates.

Ihateboris · 19/09/2026 15:35

LyonsKnickers · 19/09/2026 13:50

Are you white?

What's that got to do with anything? Holy shit

DontBuyANewMumCashmere · 19/09/2026 15:48

The reality is that in the year ending 2024 there were 4972 drug misuse deaths in the UK. However , alcohol alone as a cause of death were 9809 but this does not include where it was a contributing factor such as cancer and cardiovascular disease.

Alcohol consumption is around 75% for adults according to ChatGPT whereas Class A usage around 3.5%

This means that mortality rate for alcohol use is around 1 in 3800 whereas Class A is roughly 1 in 275.
Probs because Class A drugs are mainly mixed with shit fillers.

I completely agree with decriminalisation and taxation on legally produced drugs btw

Fibrous · 19/09/2026 16:21

Switch your cocaine habit to mushrooms. It’s the season! No people exploited and much better for your septum.

whackwhackoops · 19/09/2026 16:48

after the weekend of using do you wake up wanting to stop and do you see a time or a trigger that will signal the end of using?

Do all your friends do it too? If you’re offered
it by friends have you/ can you say no?

Happyjoe · 19/09/2026 16:57

Ihateboris · 19/09/2026 13:01

To be fair, a lot of people who drink alcohol come across as bellends 🤣

They do, yes that's fair, but coke seems to be amplified.

Buttercup211 · 19/09/2026 18:31

What's it like?

Globules · 19/09/2026 18:44

Thank you for your honesty @beenanddonethat

I wonder what all the MNers hurling abuse at the OP make of a person working in modern slavery also being a recreational user.

JaniieJones · 19/09/2026 19:02

beenanddonethat · 19/09/2026 15:28

You see I take a different view. I think it should all be legalised. The main issue with any form of drug use is the polycriminality that exists around it - and the quite mind-blowing amount of money it costs in tax payer money to police it all. I also work in law enforcement, specifically modern slavery and organised immigration crime, so am completely aware of the human cost.
However - prohibition NEVER works and the sooner people accept this the better. There has never ever been a human on this earth who has debated in their mind whether or not to take drugs - and the ‘deciding factor’ against doing , being ‘because it’s illegal’ . If people are going to take them , they will find a source. Illegality isn’t even a tiny consideration.

From an economic perspective, we as a country are missing a trick. Consider the gazillions of £££££ we spend on trying to prevent people trying to get hold of drugs? In my office alone (provincial town) we have 14 police officers varying ranks on the county lines team alone. 15 on my MSHT/OIC team. That close on £1m before overtime in ONE police area . Multiply that across the country . Then add in the National Crime Agency. The security services etc. The cost is mind blowing and the worst part is that the exploitation and coercion (esp county lines) is happening BECAUSE drugs are illegal and this creates a space for criminals to flourish and expand.

it is also completely illogical. Why are they illegal ? Because they are ‘bad for you’ ? Then why is alcohol legal ?
A PP stated that there has been a year on year increase on coke related deaths . The reality is that in the year ending 2024 there were 4972 drug misuse deaths in the UK. However , alcohol alone as a cause of death were 9809 but this does not include where it was a contributing factor such as cancer and cardiovascular disease.

so why are we doing this ? It’s bonkers ?
If we can go to Waitrose for a couple of grams and know what it is, and pay tax on it like alcohol, cigarettes, vapes etc then why not ? If you don’t use it now I doubt very much that you will suddenly decide to stick a gram of columbian marching powder up your nose now , just because it’s legal.. anymore than you would take up smoking or decide to sink a pint of vodka a day.. however, if you do use it recreationally (and I am also in this camp) along with a whole swathe of middle class professionals ranging from law enforcement, to head teachers from my personal knowledge. Who would be doing it at weddings , parties etc . For me maybe 2 grams between DH and self 4/5 times a year . The tax you would make on sales and the money you could save on policing would fund an entire elderly care system let alone divert police time and resources to crimes that are barely looked at now like burglary, while they chase their tales trying to save the population from making poor decisions.

I’ve discussed this with very high ranking police officers and none have disagreed - but politicians are too scared to talk about it for fear of the pearl clutchers running around and screaming their kids will all end up smack addicts .. while actively buying booze on their kids behalf to take to naive middle class parties.

Yes alcohol is legal and look how many alcohol related illnesses and deaths we have. Legalising something does not change poor self control.

It is so concerning that you work in law enforcement and you're a user too? Don't they do random testing?

I can see the argument about legalising weed, it's harmless imo but opioids, ketamine, mdma? No.

Starpeck · 19/09/2026 23:25

beenanddonethat · 19/09/2026 15:28

You see I take a different view. I think it should all be legalised. The main issue with any form of drug use is the polycriminality that exists around it - and the quite mind-blowing amount of money it costs in tax payer money to police it all. I also work in law enforcement, specifically modern slavery and organised immigration crime, so am completely aware of the human cost.
However - prohibition NEVER works and the sooner people accept this the better. There has never ever been a human on this earth who has debated in their mind whether or not to take drugs - and the ‘deciding factor’ against doing , being ‘because it’s illegal’ . If people are going to take them , they will find a source. Illegality isn’t even a tiny consideration.

From an economic perspective, we as a country are missing a trick. Consider the gazillions of £££££ we spend on trying to prevent people trying to get hold of drugs? In my office alone (provincial town) we have 14 police officers varying ranks on the county lines team alone. 15 on my MSHT/OIC team. That close on £1m before overtime in ONE police area . Multiply that across the country . Then add in the National Crime Agency. The security services etc. The cost is mind blowing and the worst part is that the exploitation and coercion (esp county lines) is happening BECAUSE drugs are illegal and this creates a space for criminals to flourish and expand.

it is also completely illogical. Why are they illegal ? Because they are ‘bad for you’ ? Then why is alcohol legal ?
A PP stated that there has been a year on year increase on coke related deaths . The reality is that in the year ending 2024 there were 4972 drug misuse deaths in the UK. However , alcohol alone as a cause of death were 9809 but this does not include where it was a contributing factor such as cancer and cardiovascular disease.

so why are we doing this ? It’s bonkers ?
If we can go to Waitrose for a couple of grams and know what it is, and pay tax on it like alcohol, cigarettes, vapes etc then why not ? If you don’t use it now I doubt very much that you will suddenly decide to stick a gram of columbian marching powder up your nose now , just because it’s legal.. anymore than you would take up smoking or decide to sink a pint of vodka a day.. however, if you do use it recreationally (and I am also in this camp) along with a whole swathe of middle class professionals ranging from law enforcement, to head teachers from my personal knowledge. Who would be doing it at weddings , parties etc . For me maybe 2 grams between DH and self 4/5 times a year . The tax you would make on sales and the money you could save on policing would fund an entire elderly care system let alone divert police time and resources to crimes that are barely looked at now like burglary, while they chase their tales trying to save the population from making poor decisions.

I’ve discussed this with very high ranking police officers and none have disagreed - but politicians are too scared to talk about it for fear of the pearl clutchers running around and screaming their kids will all end up smack addicts .. while actively buying booze on their kids behalf to take to naive middle class parties.

I hate this proposition- if it was made legal here the international supply chain would still be lined with blood & suffering, and there is far too much money to be made for dealers to wash their hands of it. I also dont want skagheads jacking up in the street more so than some do now thanks.

Starpeck · 19/09/2026 23:29

OtterlyAstounding · 19/09/2026 15:33

I agree that legalisation is the best policy. Of course, in the case of cocaine, that wouldn't fix the horrendous industry around it, unless companies began cultivating the plants in the UK.

I'm bewildered that weed is still illegal in the UK and so many other countries though - it's less harmful than alcohol as a substance, and the only reason it causes so much grief is because of the criminal element that keeping it illegal perpetuates.

Recreational users are hardly ever prosecuted even if caught as it is, it causes grief because not everyone who uses it smokes the occassional social joint to unwind or with friends. There is increasing research highlighting the link between cannabis & mental health; and no, not all chicken and egg ie used it as already struggling.

OtterlyAstounding · 19/09/2026 23:40

Starpeck · 19/09/2026 23:29

Recreational users are hardly ever prosecuted even if caught as it is, it causes grief because not everyone who uses it smokes the occassional social joint to unwind or with friends. There is increasing research highlighting the link between cannabis & mental health; and no, not all chicken and egg ie used it as already struggling.

If you look at places where weed is legal, the issues caused by it, especially social and domestic harms, are less than those caused by drinking. On an anecdotal level, heavy weed smokers who don’t drink cause so much less misery and violence to those around them than heavy drinkers do.

Not to mention, legalising it could undercut the gangs, and eliminate the harm caused to adults and children by being pulled into illegally growing and distributing it, while also bringing in tax revenue. There's really no reason not to legalise.

Starpeck · 19/09/2026 23:51

OtterlyAstounding · 19/09/2026 23:40

If you look at places where weed is legal, the issues caused by it, especially social and domestic harms, are less than those caused by drinking. On an anecdotal level, heavy weed smokers who don’t drink cause so much less misery and violence to those around them than heavy drinkers do.

Not to mention, legalising it could undercut the gangs, and eliminate the harm caused to adults and children by being pulled into illegally growing and distributing it, while also bringing in tax revenue. There's really no reason not to legalise.

Alcohol wouldnt be made legal if it was invented today, but it has been for so long cat is out of the bag. Doesnt seem a good reason to legalise another destructive substance; there is data if we are cherry picking from countries/states its legalised showing the negative impacts. Its also bad enough having to smell it from peoples gardens let alone out and about.

FaceIt · 19/09/2026 23:52

Do you sniff a lot after using it and do you worry about your nasal septum wearing away?

Since 2019 going by your figures you’ve spent circa £17K on it. Doesn’t that bother you for a high that is so short lived?

Do you think you could easily stop using it, or would you struggle?

I suspect you would seriously struggle due to the longevity of your usage.

Do you ever curse your ‘friend’ who introduced you to it?

OtterlyAstounding · 20/09/2026 00:10

Starpeck · 19/09/2026 23:51

Alcohol wouldnt be made legal if it was invented today, but it has been for so long cat is out of the bag. Doesnt seem a good reason to legalise another destructive substance; there is data if we are cherry picking from countries/states its legalised showing the negative impacts. Its also bad enough having to smell it from peoples gardens let alone out and about.

The issue is that it being illegal doesn’t stop people from indulging, though. All it means is that the criminal element thrives producing and distributing it, there's no quality control, people can be imprisoned for non-violent dealing, the government doesn't benefit – and people still smoke it.

Far better to legalise and try to control it, tax it, and take that source of incomes away from gangs. Take a healthcare approach, as with cigarettes, and try to discourage use and allow employers to require their employees have clean drug tests, but bring it within the scope of government control and management.

Starpeck · 20/09/2026 00:16

OtterlyAstounding · 20/09/2026 00:10

The issue is that it being illegal doesn’t stop people from indulging, though. All it means is that the criminal element thrives producing and distributing it, there's no quality control, people can be imprisoned for non-violent dealing, the government doesn't benefit – and people still smoke it.

Far better to legalise and try to control it, tax it, and take that source of incomes away from gangs. Take a healthcare approach, as with cigarettes, and try to discourage use and allow employers to require their employees have clean drug tests, but bring it within the scope of government control and management.

More people would smoke it if it was legal, walk into shop acessible and widely accepted. People would still grow and sell to undercut, the financial void would be filled by something else. The police dont spend time hunting down dealers, they are usually caught when caught up in something else.

OtterlyAstounding · 20/09/2026 00:32

Starpeck · 20/09/2026 00:16

More people would smoke it if it was legal, walk into shop acessible and widely accepted. People would still grow and sell to undercut, the financial void would be filled by something else. The police dont spend time hunting down dealers, they are usually caught when caught up in something else.

Actually studies in the US showed that after an initial minor spike in usage (people trying it for the first time) usage fell back to normal in all age groups except 65+, which remained elevated. So legalising doesn't appear to turn everyone into stoners (except the elderly).

Yes, there no doubt would be some black market weed available, but the amount should dwindle as people gradually shift to legal strains for specific uses, to gummies, pessaries, vapes, and all the other methods that legal weed offers.

The real issue for me though is that it being illegal doesn’t stop people smoking, so imo there's much more benefit from legalisation, taxation, and a healthcare approach.

OtterlyAstounding · 20/09/2026 00:35

I'm not sure why my comment is hidden! I've tried to adjust so it's not caught in the filters:

Actually studies in the US showed that after an initial minor spike in usage (people trying it for the first time) usage fell back to normal in all age groups except 65+, which remained elevated. Yes, there no doubt would be some illegal product available, but the amount would undoubtedly dwindle as people turned to legal strains for specific uses, and all the other methods that legal cannabis offers.

The issue for me is that it being illegal doesn’t stop people using it, so imo there's much more benefit from legalisation, taxation, and a healthcare approach.

Starpeck · 20/09/2026 08:05

OtterlyAstounding · 20/09/2026 00:35

I'm not sure why my comment is hidden! I've tried to adjust so it's not caught in the filters:

Actually studies in the US showed that after an initial minor spike in usage (people trying it for the first time) usage fell back to normal in all age groups except 65+, which remained elevated. Yes, there no doubt would be some illegal product available, but the amount would undoubtedly dwindle as people turned to legal strains for specific uses, and all the other methods that legal cannabis offers.

The issue for me is that it being illegal doesn’t stop people using it, so imo there's much more benefit from legalisation, taxation, and a healthcare approach.

Woefully naieve- have a look at broader stats. Its fine to disagree though, i will never change my mind that drugs have no place in a civilised society, and people that use them knowing the human cost are disgusting, selfish people.

OtterlyAstounding · 20/09/2026 08:12

Starpeck · 20/09/2026 08:05

Woefully naieve- have a look at broader stats. Its fine to disagree though, i will never change my mind that drugs have no place in a civilised society, and people that use them knowing the human cost are disgusting, selfish people.

I'm well informed on the stats, thanks.

Gwenhwyfar · 20/09/2026 08:45

CatrionaBalfour · 19/09/2026 11:53

No, there are plenty of valid questions. Hers is a controversial stance. It's not a "pile on" (sic).
People are asking questions based on her posts. She started the AMA, she's not some innocent bystander.

I'm also finding the thread very judgemental.

Gwenhwyfar · 20/09/2026 08:47

As for the ethical issues, a friend told me her ophthalmologist used cocaine to check a problem with her pupil. She said it was not often done any more, but was used in this case. So is medicinal use ethical? Seeing as presumably it comes from the same place.

OriginalSkang · 20/09/2026 09:13

Gwenhwyfar · 20/09/2026 08:47

As for the ethical issues, a friend told me her ophthalmologist used cocaine to check a problem with her pupil. She said it was not often done any more, but was used in this case. So is medicinal use ethical? Seeing as presumably it comes from the same place.

If she used street cocaine then no, of course not. Why would that make any difference to the ethics?