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Had a baby though surrogacy AMA

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Namechange974 · 19/09/2022 11:28

Our daughter joined our family through surrogacy. That is, a surrogate mother carried her and gave birth to her. She is related to my husband but not to me and not to her surrogate mother.

It was a domestic surrogacy in Britain and the Parental Order was approved by the judge some years ago. Our daughter has always been well adjusted and happy. She was not a restless or unresponsive newborn in any way.

I cannot have children of my own due to a health condition. I do however have another child from before the onset of the condition. I won't explain the condition because it is outing. My consultant wrote a letter stating it had become too hazardous for my health to carry a baby.

We met our daughter's surrogate mother, now a good friend, through a website set up for people experiencing secondary fertility. There was a lot of traffic on it at that time but it seems to have been replaced by Facebook now. We didn't advertise for a surrogate (that's illegal) but we did connect with our friend over a shared interest in surrogacy. She was actively looking into it because she had always wanted to be a surrogate mother and had decided the time was right. Treatment was through an IVF clinic.

Our friend says the experience gave her great joy and fulfilment. Our friendship has never wavered over many years. Our daughter knows her and likes her but doesn't have a huge amount of interest in the surrogacy journey itself. No one expects her to.

Expenses wise, we compensated the surrogate mother for an amount that was agreed by the court and suggested by her. We also paid for life insurance as this is good practice.

It's hard to get across just how grateful we are. Every day. For all these years now. I am still humbled and amazed that someone could be so kind. My daughter is a joy to us and lives her life so happily. It's deeply humbling that someone would have gone through the hardship of pregnancy and labour so she could be with us. I'm still speechless with gratitude, really.

If anyone wants to know more about my perspective or experience please ask.

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Noteverybodylives · 19/09/2022 17:27

Still unwanted by the woman who gave birth.

Yes but not in the same way.

An adopted child was given away by parents who in the child mind didn’t care about them and would have no idea where they would end up.

A child born through surrogacy was conceived for the whole purpose that someone wanted to love them and the birth mother helped them to do that.

Emotionally they are completely different.

Fadeout83 · 19/09/2022 21:51

Wouldloveanother · 19/09/2022 14:46

an interesting AMA.

I have to be honest, I really struggle with people who opt for donor egg/sperm babies when they already have their own biological child(ren). It’s probably fine when they’re all little and too young to understand the complexities, but it creates an odd set up with emotional obstacles for all the kids concerned.

I saw a poster on here once who already had 2 biological children, was desperate for a third and went for donor egg. I remember thinking it was very selfish, that she couldn’t just be content with the kids she already had, and was prepared to complicate her family just to satisfy the baby urge.

You’re projecting how YOU would feel in the situation. Not everyone would raise their donor sperm or egg child to feel lesser. Which is what you’re implying.

Wouldloveanother · 19/09/2022 21:57

Fadeout83 · 19/09/2022 21:51

You’re projecting how YOU would feel in the situation. Not everyone would raise their donor sperm or egg child to feel lesser. Which is what you’re implying.

No, I’m not.

But even if you treated the kids exactly the same, they would always feel like the odd one out, being the only non-biological child.

Biology matters, that’s why people choose donor gametes and a shiny newborn - to feel like they have that ‘connection’ via carrying the baby, or using their own eggs. But suddenly biology doesn’t matter when it comes to the baby knowing it’s background. I saw a thread on here the other day where a poster was flying abroad for donor egg ‘because I’m more comfortable with the anonymity side of things’. How selfish. What about if they baby’s ‘uncomfortable’ never knowing its biological mother?

Fadeout83 · 19/09/2022 22:11

Wouldloveanother · 19/09/2022 21:57

No, I’m not.

But even if you treated the kids exactly the same, they would always feel like the odd one out, being the only non-biological child.

Biology matters, that’s why people choose donor gametes and a shiny newborn - to feel like they have that ‘connection’ via carrying the baby, or using their own eggs. But suddenly biology doesn’t matter when it comes to the baby knowing it’s background. I saw a thread on here the other day where a poster was flying abroad for donor egg ‘because I’m more comfortable with the anonymity side of things’. How selfish. What about if they baby’s ‘uncomfortable’ never knowing its biological mother?

That is absolutely not true. Show me a peer reviewed study that says what you are asserting. You are projecting your own belief system.

Wouldloveanother · 19/09/2022 22:30

Show me a peer reviewed study that says what you are asserting.

Ah Mumsnet, you can’t beat it can you 😂

it’s not rocket science to say a child who realises at some point they are not biologically related to one or both of their parents, whereas its siblings are, is going to struggle with that.

MrJi · 19/09/2022 22:40

UnshakenNeedsStirring · 19/09/2022 12:50

In Germany and France, surrogacy is seen as violating the dignity of women, using them as the means to someone else's end. Therefore, the practice is completely forbidden. The fact remains that surrogacy is the commissioning of a baby by affluent heterosexual or homosexual couples using a woman of usually lower economic standing as a baby incubator - a breeder. The surrogate mother - often callously called a "gestational carrier" - is required to submit to a three to four week drug regimen in order to prepare her womb for pregnancy. These drugs can make her very sick, possibly with long-term effects. In addition to the battery of prenatal tests she must undergo, there is also the risk of pregnancy complications - including ovarian torsion, ovarian cysts, chronic pelvic pain, premature menopause, loss of fertility, reproductive cancers, blood clots, kidney disease, stroke and, in some cases, death.
Women who become pregnant with eggs from another woman are at higher risk for pre-eclampsia and high blood pressure. The health risks are even worse for women who donate eggs, with the increased prevalence of Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS) and ovarian cancer many years later. At birth, the baby is most often removed by caesarean section, with the birth mother frequently not given the chance to see her child. What is left is a woman with milk in her breasts but nothing in her arms. The attention that for nine months had been lavished on the woman - who is called a hero, an angel, a giver of life by the commissioning couple in an altruistic surrogacy arrangement - in the great majority of cases disappears very quickly. Once the job is done, and the baby handed over, the birth mother, in whose body remain cells of her child for decades, is left to her own devices. For all these reasons I am very much against surrogacy.

Agree.

CrossStichQueen · 19/09/2022 22:54

OP Yes you DID buy your baby.
If you had not handed over cash then your surrogate would not have handed over her baby.
That's the facts.

thetruthaboutlovecomesat3am · 19/09/2022 22:57

threegoodthings · 19/09/2022 12:34

Have you told your daughter that you paid money for her?

What an odd comment.

I carried my daughter but spent £10k before hand on fertility to have her.

Should I tell my daughter I technically 'bought' her too?

MissingNashville · 19/09/2022 23:04

thetruthaboutlovecomesat3am · 19/09/2022 22:57

What an odd comment.

I carried my daughter but spent £10k before hand on fertility to have her.

Should I tell my daughter I technically 'bought' her too?

This is not the same. You’re either not very bright or purposefully not understanding the difference.

Fadeout83 · 19/09/2022 23:05

Wouldloveanother · 19/09/2022 22:30

Show me a peer reviewed study that says what you are asserting.

Ah Mumsnet, you can’t beat it can you 😂

it’s not rocket science to say a child who realises at some point they are not biologically related to one or both of their parents, whereas its siblings are, is going to struggle with that.

Do you not see how much you’re generalising and projecting your beliefs here? And no it is absolutely not rocket science to say a non biological child would feel inferior. I assume you don’t have any non biological kids, which is probably a good thing

Wouldloveanother · 19/09/2022 23:14

Fadeout83 · 19/09/2022 23:05

Do you not see how much you’re generalising and projecting your beliefs here? And no it is absolutely not rocket science to say a non biological child would feel inferior. I assume you don’t have any non biological kids, which is probably a good thing

Projecting what? I have no personal feelings around this at all, bar seeing how some of my friends missing out on knowing their biological parents has caused them a lot of anguish over the years. Are you donor conceived?

FannyCann · 20/09/2022 09:46

It’s very nice that everything went so well for you OP and that you have a continuing close relationship with your surrogate mother. I accept that there are cases like yours were everything appears to have gone as well as it could. In the UK where numbers are still fairly small, and surrogacy arrangements are cushioned by care from the NHS and fairly generous maternity leave provision for both the surrogate mother (if she works) and the commissioning parents (who are entitled to leave the same as adoptive parents) no doubt many arrangements work out well.
However this doesn’t mean your arrangement was harmless. Every good news story such as yours, every sugary press report of surrogate mothers giving “the gift of life” and of celebrities announcing their joy at the arrival of a new baby (sometimes acknowledging the contribution of the surrogate mother, sometimes not) contributes to the normalisation of surrogacy as a way to obtain a baby and feeds demand. Normalising the use of women to breed babies to order. Our government actually describes it as simply one of a range of assisted fertility options.
Meanwhile Surrogacy practically everywhere else in the world where money rules and women have few protections under law is exploitative and harmful. From the USA with brutal contract clauses and expensive healthcare should the SM have ongoing health problems after the pregnancy to Ukraine where both covid and war have exposed the harsh reality of wealthy clients from around the world exploiting desperate, impoverished women to Eastern countries such as Nepal, India and Vietnam, in practically every other jurisdiction around the world where surrogacy is legal women are exploited, babies bought and sold, crime such as people trafficking flourishes.
Meanwhile governments in Ireland, the UK, Canada, New Zealand and some EU countries where surrogacy is currently not legal are pushing to open up the market, establishing a breeder class of woman, serving those who can afford to buy a baby.
If proposals from the Law Commission are accepted in the U.K., changing the law around acquiring legal parental rights so that commissioning parents are the legal parents at birth, there will be a change in the practice of surrogacy in the UK. Commissioning parents will assume ownership of the fetus in utero and demand the right to oversee medical decisions, there are likely to be relationship fall outs between SMs and CPs and the NHS, our social services and family law courts will be left picking up the pieces.
This is what happened in this case :

https://www.familylaw.co.uk/docs/rtf-files/ReABSurrogacyyConsent2016EWHCC2643Famm.rtf

1.	1.		I am giving this short judgment to explain why the applications for parental orders cannot be determined today.
2.	2.	   Both the applicants, C and D, are the biological parents of twins, A and B, born in 2015. The children have been in their care since the day following their birth.
3.	3.	   The respondents, E and F, are the surrogate mother and her husband. 
4.	4.	  The parties entered into a consensual altruistic surrogacy arrangement in this jurisdiction.
5.	5.	   Embryos created using the gametes of both C and D were transferred to E, who carried A and B to birth.  
6.	6.	  The children have had no contact with the respondents, E and F, they have made it clear they seek to have no active involvement in the children’s lives. 
7.	7.	   At the recent hearing there was no issue that the court should make a child arrangements order, providing for the children to live with the applicants, C and D. This gave the applicants parental responsibility and orders were made that prevented the respondents being able to exercise any parental responsibility in relation to the children.
8.	8.	   Save in one respect, all the relevant criteria for the making of a parental order under section 54 Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act 2008 (HFEA) are met. The one that is not relates to the respondents consent. Section 54 (6) provides that the court must be satisfied the respondents have ‘freely, and with full understanding of what is involved, agreed unconditionally to the making of the [parental] order’.  What is perhaps so unusual about this case is, as set out above, the respondents wish to take no part in the children’s lives. Their rationale for refusing their consent is due to their own feelings of injustice, rather than what is in the children’s best interests. 
9.	9.	   Without the respondent’s consent the application for a parental order comes to a juddering halt, to the very great distress of the applicants. The result is that these children are left in a legal limbo, where, contrary to what was agreed by the parties at the time of the arrangement, the respondents will remain their legal parents even though they are not biologically related to them and they expressly wish to play no part in the children’s lives. 
10.	10.	The consequences for the children of the parental orders not being made are as follows:
11.	(1)	They remain living with the applicants, who are their biological and psychological parents, but not their legal parents. The child arrangements order, which gives the applicants parental responsibility, lasts until they are 18 years old.
12.	(2)	The respondents, who wish to play no part in the children’s lives, remain the children’s legal parents throughout their lives by virtue of ss 33 and 35 HFEA.
13.	11.	 Even though the children’s lifelong welfare needs require a parental order to be made, which would secure their legal relationship with the applicants in a lifelong way and extinguish the respondents legal status with the children, under the provisions of s 54 (6) HFEA 2008 if the respondent’s consent is not forthcoming the court cannot make a parental order.   
14.	12.	The Law Commission has recently announced that surrogacy may be included in their next programme of law reform and have invited responses as to whether this should be an area that is included. 
15.	13.	The applicants seek to adjourn their application for a parental order in the hope that the respondents may change their mind, or that there may be some change in the current statutory regime governing parental orders. 
16.	
17.	15.	

Relevant background
1. 16. The applicants were unable to have children due to medical reasons and decided to embark on a surrogacy arrangement. They were put in touch with the respondents through a non-profit organisation in this jurisdiction that puts intended parents in touch with surrogates. The arrangement with this organisation allow only for the surrogate to select the intended parent they might be willing to act for from their profile. The applicants were contacted by E. She had been a surrogate before which had been a positive experience for her, which she hoped to replicate in an arrangement with the applicants.
2. 17. The applicants were delighted to have been selected by E and within the recommended three month ‘getting to know’ period it was agreed E should have two sessions with an obstetrician who had had some previous involvement with her. C and D attended one appointment with her, and F attended the second. The parties then decided to proceed with a written surrogacy arrangement and signed their agreement 3 months after they first met.
3. 18. E was age 51 at the time the embryo transfer took place at a fertility clinic operating in this jurisdiction. The parties had all had the mandatory ‘implications’ counselling provided by the clinic before the transfer took place.
4. 19. Unfortunately the relationship between the applicants and respondents broke down. It is not necessary for the court to investigate or determine the reasons for that change, save that the catalyst appears to have been an appointment around the 12 week scan when the consultant obstetrician expressed very real concerns about the health of E if the pregnancy continued. Further specialist advice was sought and the pregnancy did continue. E considers the applicants did not show sufficient concern for her wellbeing during this period. The applicants acknowledge in their statement the situation could have been handled better by them. Regrettably the difficulties continued, there was limited contact between them although E periodically updated C and D about the progress of the pregnancy.
5. 20. The children were born early; the applicants were not at the hospital at the time and on arrival encountered difficulties in them gaining access to the children, who were in the neonatal intensive care unit. They were able go in the following day, but were, understandably, distressed by the circumstances.
6. 21. Unfortunately relations between the parties did not improve, although there remained some communication between them after the birth. The applicants continued to send E photos of the children until early in 2016, when she stated she did not want to receive anything further.
7. 22. The applications for parental orders were made in mid-2016. There is no dispute between the parties that all of the relevant criteria are met, save for the issue of the respondents consent. Mediation to help resolve the issue of consent was, sadly, not successful.
8. 23. Both applicants are the biological parents of the children (s 54 (1) (b)); E was the gestational surrogate (s 54 (1) (a)); the applicants are married (s 54 (2)(a)); they issued their application within 6 months of the children’s birth (s54 (3)); the children have had their home with the applicants effectively since birth (s 54 (4) (a)); the applicants domicile of origin is here (s 54 (4)(b)); they are both over 18 years (s 54 (5) and any payments made to the respondents were for expenses reasonably incurred so do not require the authorisation of the court (s 54 (8)).

9. 24. Both children are thriving in the applicants care.
10. 25. In their statement filed in support of their application for parental orders the applicants acknowledge the enormous gift E, with F’s support, has given them. They express regret at the breakdown in the relationship between the parties and acknowledge their part in that situation. They describe their utter joy at having a family and hope that E and F will change their minds to enable the children to have the legal status which they say truly reflects where they come from and who they are.
11. 26. The respondents have each filed a statement where they set out their account of the background and their reasons for not agreeing to the court making a parental order. Their reasons include highlighting how E felt so unsupported when the relationship between the parties broke down, to increase awareness and emphasise the need for intended parents and surrogates to work co-operatively and to support and show compassion to the surrogate. F feels as he agreed to support E in this arrangement, he should support her decision not to agree to the making of a parental order. He also feels by not agreeing it ensures what has happened is not forgotten. Both respondents have said in their statements they would not object to an adoption order, as F says he would not want the children’s lives to be left in limbo.

12. 27. The parental order reporter has filed an extraordinarily perceptive report. In her well structured document she has carefully analysed the difficult issues in this case. She recognises the problems there have been in the relationship between the parties, the emotional journey the applicants have undertaken to become parents due to the cruel circumstances of the medical diagnosis which led them towards the surrogacy arrangement with the respondents. In her analysis, whilst understanding the initial mutual enthusiasm of the parties, she considered they did not really know each other before embarking on this arrangement. This, she considered, became increasingly obvious when difficulties emerged.
13. 28. Whilst at the early stages the parental order reporter considered there was some initial hope that agreement to the applications may be reached the respondents statements were resolute in their refusal to agree to the parental order. In her view she considers E’s opposition to the parental orders is to demonstrate and have recognised her sense of grievance. Whilst the parental order reporter recognises E’s position she hopes E will be able to reflect on this, due to the life-long consequences for the children.

Personally I don’t think it is a good idea for a woman age 51 to be a surrogate mother, especially of twins, notwithstanding the advice of an obstetrician prior to the arrangement. That might be a good way to prevent these types of problems arising. In this case we can surmise from the above that when an obstetrician expressed great concern for the health of the mother should the pregnancy continue the commissioning parents likely expressed concern for “their” babies and offended the mother by not immediately prioritising her health. Hence the breakdown of the relationship leading to the SM refusing to agree to the parental order.

This case has been cited by the Parliamentary APPG on surrogacy as an example of reason for changing the current law, to prevent such a situation arising again. ie they want to limit women’s rights with regard to a baby they are carrying. Whatever one thinks of the woman’s actions in this case, limiting the rights of pregnant women cannot be for the good of women overall and it will fuel ownership behaviour of commissioning parents leading to more cases where there is a breakdown of the relationship between the CPs and the SM.

So no, your cosy arrangement is not harmless. As I said it normalises the view that women can be employed as breeders and feeds demand including the demand to limit the rights of surrogate mothers.

But since this is an AMA I have a question:
How will you feel OP if your beloved daughter signs up to be a surrogate mother at age 18, maybe to help fund university, having never had a baby before, as will be perfectly legal under new proposals from the law commission. In fact I think it’s legal now, it’s just that in proposing new laws our legal experts think there is no need for restriction in this regard.
How will you feel if your daughter becomes a career surrogate mother, like Carole Horlock who had 13 surrogate babies, or Jill Hawkins who had 10, without ever having any children of her own and who carried on despite physical and mental health issues including attempted suicide? When you think about your daughter’s future and what she may do with her life do you have hopes of a fulfilling career for her, or will you be happy for her to be a member of the breeding class of woman?

Wouldloveanother · 20/09/2022 09:55

Even if it ‘goes as well as it could’ve’, it’s not something I can ever support, in a nutshell because I think it’s inherently distasteful and steps into ‘human trafficking’ and ‘womb rental’ territory.

There are many things in life we don’t allow people to do even if seemingly all parties are happy with the arrangement. This should be one of them.

It simply undermines women, undermines the safety of infants, and basically isn’t something I think is ever acceptable in a civilised society.

FannyCann · 20/09/2022 10:59

I agree Wouldloveanother
I was trying to make the point that because some surrogacy journeys appear to have gone OK doesn't make it a good thing. The vast majority are harmful and exploitative and we shouldn't be promoting it because some go OK. We should be protecting vulnerable women and babies and not normalising the use of women as walking uteruses for rent.

GroggyLegs · 20/09/2022 11:28

FannyCann · 20/09/2022 10:59

I agree Wouldloveanother
I was trying to make the point that because some surrogacy journeys appear to have gone OK doesn't make it a good thing. The vast majority are harmful and exploitative and we shouldn't be promoting it because some go OK. We should be protecting vulnerable women and babies and not normalising the use of women as walking uteruses for rent.

Completely agree Fanny. 'altruistic' surrogacy is not a neutral act.

People on this thread unironically complain how unfeminist it is to 'police women's bodies' while being oblivious to the harm it does to all women to permit and normalise any part of a female body being available for hire.

NippyWoowoo · 20/09/2022 20:21

Hoppinggreen · 19/09/2022 15:17

I would say that if I met you in real life
I am completely against surrogacy

You must be fun at parties.

Needsomepeaceplease · 23/09/2022 17:49

I’d absolutely love to be a surrogate infact I’m confident I will. I’m a high earner (as classed by mumsnet) and certainly won’t be forced into it by anyone. Personally I don’t understand why a woman who is able to help wouldn’t help another woman/family. And I’m a feminist too.

Wouldloveanother · 23/09/2022 18:01

Needsomepeaceplease · 23/09/2022 17:49

I’d absolutely love to be a surrogate infact I’m confident I will. I’m a high earner (as classed by mumsnet) and certainly won’t be forced into it by anyone. Personally I don’t understand why a woman who is able to help wouldn’t help another woman/family. And I’m a feminist too.

You’re right; why wouldn’t they 🤔 I ask myself as I lie here with hyperemesis which has resulted in long term sick leave from work, 10lb in weight loss, a permanent gnawing stomach ache and barely being able to parent my own child for weeks on end.

It would be very selfish of me not to go through this again for somebody else.

Soubriquet · 23/09/2022 18:25

Needsomepeaceplease · 23/09/2022 17:49

I’d absolutely love to be a surrogate infact I’m confident I will. I’m a high earner (as classed by mumsnet) and certainly won’t be forced into it by anyone. Personally I don’t understand why a woman who is able to help wouldn’t help another woman/family. And I’m a feminist too.

Not everyone has an easy pregnancy.

With my first, I had hypermesis, severe SPD that left me wheelchair bound for the rest of the pregnancy, and she attempted to come at 28 weeks. I spent a lot of time in hospital. It’s amazing I even went on to have a second.

I am now permanently disabled from pregnancy. I have back problems that will never get better

TheClogLady · 23/09/2022 19:35

Personally I don’t understand why a woman who is able to help wouldn’t help another woman/family. And I’m a feminist too.

My belly is still completely numb from c section scar to naval. Touching it is exactly like touching an inanimate object, as in, I get sensory feedback from my fingers but not from from my abdomen.

The baby that came through that surgical wound is TWENTY TWO YEARS OLD.
Thank fuck I didn’t have similarly numb results from a surgically assisted vaginal delivery and then have 22 years of anorgasmia or urinary/fecal incontinence as a result - I mean, why wouldn’t you risk that to grow a baby for someone else?

I’m sure companies love it when their ‘high earning’ employees want time off for maternity appointments and minimum 6 weeks post birth leave for babies they don’t even want to raise.
That’s never going to result in quietly being overlooked for promotion, is it?

What feminist wouldn’t give up sexual pleasure or not pissing their pants to willingly become chattel?

Women who advocate for women to rate their own lives, health, careers, their already existing children and their sexual and romantic relationships higher than babymaking for others clearly just aren’t feminist enough

Jesus fucking Christ.

00100001 · 23/09/2022 19:55

Needsomepeaceplease · 23/09/2022 17:49

I’d absolutely love to be a surrogate infact I’m confident I will. I’m a high earner (as classed by mumsnet) and certainly won’t be forced into it by anyone. Personally I don’t understand why a woman who is able to help wouldn’t help another woman/family. And I’m a feminist too.

Because wombs arent for rent.

Babies aren't fucking commodities.

Babies, HUMAN BEINGS, are being taken away from their mother within hours of birth. To satisfy the wants of another adult. Any sane person would realise this is fucking cruel and is putting the adults feelings before the NEEDS of the baby.

Because vulnerable women will be/are forced/co-erced into doing this for money or any other reasons. There will be very nasty people out there who will target vulnerable women purely for money making, force them to have these babies for rich purchasers. It's already happening and is probably going to be a booming "industry" in the next few decades. Poor women from poor countries will be in baby farms essentially.

00100001 · 23/09/2022 19:57

Not a single person has a right to have a child.

FannyCann · 23/09/2022 21:53

I’m sure companies love it when their ‘high earning’ employees want time off for maternity appointments and minimum 6 weeks post birth leave for babies they don’t even want to raise.
That’s never going to result in quietly being overlooked for promotion, is it?

And if the woman is doing it for a work colleague the company gets hit with a double whammy as the commissioning parents are entitled to the same as adopter's leave.
.

Hoppinggreen · 23/09/2022 22:27

Needsomepeaceplease · 23/09/2022 17:49

I’d absolutely love to be a surrogate infact I’m confident I will. I’m a high earner (as classed by mumsnet) and certainly won’t be forced into it by anyone. Personally I don’t understand why a woman who is able to help wouldn’t help another woman/family. And I’m a feminist too.

I would ask why you need to do something so drastic to get validation
And if you can’t figure out why other women don’t want to be surrogates then I would wonder WTF is wrong with you?

OperaStation · 01/10/2022 20:44

ItsJustLittleOlMe · 19/09/2022 15:05

I have a friend who is intending on becoming a surrogate to a couple. Yes, money is involved however every penny has to be accounted for ie maternity clothing, prenatal vitamins, reimbursement for any time taken off work due to the pregnancy etc. There is a spreadsheet for literally every single penny that changes hands. It covers money that the surrogate is spending/losing out on due to the pregnancy, there is no profit.

Seeing that it you would find it acceptable for a relative to do it for another (and the risks don't really change much for a relative as they would a stranger) is it the idea of the monetary profiting that you have an issue with?

Technically the money all has to be recorded and accounted for, but in reality it’s very open to abuse. My cousin used a surrogate to have two children. In both cases the “expenses” were ~£20k. It was clearly far more than just expenses incurred due to being pregnant and they accepted that and were fine with it because, in both cases, they were just happy to be having a baby.

They told me that the surrogate expensed organic food because it was better for the baby, things like a new mattress because the old one wasn’t comfortable when she was pregnant. Like all expense claims, you can justify just about anything. One of the surrogates ultimately used the cash to take her kids to Disney. Anyone saying it’s not about making money is kidding themselves. I’m sure there are women who genuinely do want to help but I doubt any of them would do it without money exchanging hands.