to ask why people still do not believe that Islamophobia doesn’t exist and therefore doesn’t need an official definition?

So what is life like for people that live in Islamic countries? Are they perfectly happy and free to do what they want and men and women and children are treated fairly and being of a different culture/background/social class/ sexualising orientation/religion are all treated well and accepted by the other communities living there?

If so great, if not then how is it any different to what people say about Britain and the British?

He could be an incel. The choosing of that event and the choosing of the Women's hospital hasn't been decided based on nothing.
During Covid the Mosques were still providing prayer for men. The women were protesting and trying to raise public awareness. But they were beaten down by the Equality act and sex not being protected. But not really beaten down as such, more just mumbled about and ignored until it went away. Life across many countries is appalling for women. Which is why religion and culture needs to be seperate and then education about Islam started. I think that education on what Jewish people have contributed was always the way to govto remove the hatred. However I will never accept a religion that tells me that I'm a second class citizen.

Well it doesn't help that many Muslim women and their children do not integrate even now with members of their community

DC not allowed to parties with their school friends they've been invited to

Muslim mothers never going on mum nights out when invited

It's really sad actually

Obviously this is not always the case but very common nevertheless

why do you assume Muslim women are "not allowed" to come out for a drink?
they choose not to if they are practising Muslims
me or any of the women I know don't need anyone's permission to do anything. we go wherever the fuck we want.

This is a question for the general public , After the recent events , where a horrific unimaginable event that has left a community and parents shattered , reeling from the loss of their babies - the first thing that a significant group did was to attack who they thought were to blame.
and it was the Muslim community.
without verification , confirmation , the hatred was palpable -it was always there.

As a muslim ; every time something like this happens, I know all of us pause and are frightened whether the perpetrators are Muslim and - when they are not - then there are no fingers pointed to whether their religion is to blame for their actions.
the entire community isn’t put to trial.
I am so sad for the senseless loss that the parents and families are going through.
My heart goes our to them,
as my friend who is a hijab wearing Muslim said earlier today -thank god he wasn’t Muslim otherwise they would have come and killed us in our sleep. It hit me to the core how much some people hate us?
I feel this is an injustice to my 70 year old mother who prays 5 times a day, loves her god and has not harmed a single person in her life , my sister who is a confidant professional woman but will not travel out of multi cultural areas for fear of being attacked.

still the government refused to put an official definition for Islamophobia?
having grown experiencing huge levels of it in the early 90/ , I feel that those that do not believe that the Muslim community are hated by other for simply being Muslim are just ignoring it or are part of the problem .
I feel sad for my children , who don’t speak the language their parents speak, only belong to this country but look visibly different and belong to a religion that is hated so much and the government can’t protect them.

The anti Muslim backlash was sparked because social media made a bunch of assumptions. In the hours after the attack it was rife with posts that the attacker was man named Ali who came over on a boat last year. Even good old Laurence Fox posted that before the police confirmed otherwise. And that alone shows what Muslims have to face.

A white man killed 3 people in Bushey and no one protested. A non white man killed 3 people in Southport and the rumours and false allegations started culminating in the hate riots.

I think there is a double negative in your title.

I don’t assume I asked a Muslim woman to join a group of mums on a night out and she told me Muslims couldn’t drink.
Was I supposed to tell her she was completely wrong?

yes practisingMuslims don't drink. but she chooses to follow that. no one is locking her at home forcing her not to go for drinks. that is just her choice.
some Muslims still go out for drinks (but have a non alcoholic drink), others are more observant.

yes practisingMuslims don't drink. but she chooses to follow that. no one is locking her at home forcing her not to go for drinks. that is just her choice.
some Muslims still go out for drinks (but have a non alcoholic drink), others are more observant.

This is a question for the general public , After the recent events , where a horrific unimaginable event that has left a community and parents shattered , reeling from the loss of their babies - the first thing that a significant group did was to attack who they thought were to blame.
and it was the Muslim community.
without verification , confirmation , the hatred was palpable -it was always there.

As a muslim ; every time something like this happens, I know all of us pause and are frightened whether the perpetrators are Muslim and - when they are not - then there are no fingers pointed to whether their religion is to blame for their actions.
the entire community isn’t put to trial.
I am so sad for the senseless loss that the parents and families are going through.
My heart goes our to them,
as my friend who is a hijab wearing Muslim said earlier today -thank god he wasn’t Muslim otherwise they would have come and killed us in our sleep. It hit me to the core how much some people hate us?
I feel this is an injustice to my 70 year old mother who prays 5 times a day, loves her god and has not harmed a single person in her life , my sister who is a confidant professional woman but will not travel out of multi cultural areas for fear of being attacked.

still the government refused to put an official definition for Islamophobia?
having grown experiencing huge levels of it in the early 90/ , I feel that those that do not believe that the Muslim community are hated by other for simply being Muslim are just ignoring it or are part of the problem .
I feel sad for my children , who don’t speak the language their parents speak, only belong to this country but look visibly different and belong to a religion that is hated so much and the government can’t protect them.

Would anyone exclude their sober friend, or someone in AA. My sober friends would be mightily pissed off to not be invited out because they’re detoxing, recovering alcoholic, or whatever.

There is a definition and laws in place , rightly so, for antisemitism.
what is the difference here when there seems to be enough statistics and trends that Islamophobia exists and is an issue.

Coming back to the point of the thread-defining Islamophobia-is there an internationally recognised definition as the ihra definition of antisemitism? Or a nationally agreed/proposed one? I looked for one because of an issue that came up at work (I'm not Muslim btw, but this issue is v relevant in my role). I couldn't find a definition, and it's actually pretty difficult to define in a meaningful way, beyond say 'acts aimed at a person who is or is perceived to be Muslim which are motivated by their religion'. And that example is pretty crap (just me giving a possible example). For instance those acts could be positive. You also probably want to just make it criminal offences motivated by Islamaphobia. But we have that legislation already. You're right-a definition would help-probably one like the ihra definition with examples, but it's actually really hard and prob needs to come from the Muslim community.
If you know of a definition genuinely I'd like to see it.