to ask why people still do not believe that Islamophobia doesn’t exist and therefore doesn’t need an official definition?

Nobody is asking you to accept it. Nobody is asking you to cover your head or your children’s head, the point is that whatever you feel doesn’t warrant the level of hatred that Muslims always get. Where are the good points? Why are you only focusing on the negatives? You can’t judge a whole religion based on one singular thing and for what it’s worth, as a Muslim, I also don’t agree with children covering their heads until they’re at an age where they can understand why and make their own decisions about it.

however, your ignorance is exactly what the OP is talking about. There is a passage in the bible that also tells wives to submit to their husbands, so why is your disgust (or so it comes across) only reserved for Muslims? And that’s part of the Islamophobia that’s being spoken about.

Educate yourself. Religions are so much more than one singular thing, all religions are and ignorance isn’t an excuse in this day and age.

I feel so incredibly sad this is what Muslims need to deal with in this country. I can't imagine how frightening and horrible it must feel to have so much hatred and ignorance directed at yourself, your family and your community. There are so many misconceptions about Islam and Muslim people. You just need to read some of the replies on this thread.

I agree with you. The government need to bring legislation in against Islamophobia. In my view, there is no other religion, belief or group of people who are on the receiving end of so much hatred and ignorance as Muslims are at the moment. Southport is the perfect example of this. We have had a government who has allowed hatred and ignorance to fester with leaders who almost condone it with their views and policies and this has culminated in the events of the beginning of this week. Social media was whipped into a frenzy for the racist and ignorant who used violence under the guise of protest to spread their hatred against a group that had nothing to do with the atrocities in the first place.

What's the point of labelling the hatred and violence? These people almost use it as a badge of honour these days and don't care about admitting they're racist, homophobic, antisemitic or whatever.
In fact they revel in it and it won't change a thing.
People are angry. They're angry about their own lives and struggles and feel insecure about their place in their own world.
Its convenient to target their anger towards Muslims.
I don't actually blame people for this anger. They feel helpless. Their environment is changing rapidly and the government is not listening to them but targeting a community who mostly just want to get on with their lives quietly is wrong.
Muslims never wanted to be in any spotlight but unfortunately, the deviant and criminals from those communities and the media reporting of it made sure that whole communities are vilified.

People aren’t moving to this country because they admire our culture. They move here because of our largely lawful Christian based society. There’s much more corruption and fewer opportunities in their own countries.
As the previous poster said people feel helpless - 700,000 immigrants a year is preposterous.
Racism will most likely get worse.

I don't agree with the reasoning that primary aged girls need to be modest and time will tell if those attitudes played a part in a TS dance class being chosen for mass murder

I think the first post perfectly demonstrates your point OP?

YANBU 💐

I don’t think the UK is tolerant tbh. It may be in more affluent areas but once you reach deprived rundown towns it’s a different ball game. Rochdale, Bolton, Oldham etc.

The country at the minute feels like a massive pot of boiling water ready to pop the lid off. I don’t know what the solution is, but I feel sorry for anyone facing abuse and prejudice now.

Stop spreading unsubstantiated rumours. Can you imagine how difficult it must be to be Muslim in the UK just now because some people just want to blame them for everything

Immigration was never a political topic two decade again, its because of successive governments willingness to allow mass migration which has caused civil unrest. Unfortunately, there are rumours the Southport murderer was a converted Muslim.

I am not racist to say I am concerned about Islam, many people are but scared to say in real life.

It's different in different places.

I grew up in a Northern town where there is a significant Pakistani community and a less significant Bengali community, usually referred to together as 'Asian'.

The different communities just didn't mix. There is a lot of mistrust because people didn't necessarily understand others. And it was / is that way. But it is not about religion, the Christians in the Asian community are treated the same as Muslims.

https://www.asianimage.co.uk/news/2114602.the-forgotten-community/#:~:text=There%20are%20over%20300%20families,actually%20known%20of%20this%20community.

I now live in Wolverhampton and it is very mixed. There are areas with more Indian shops but people mix at school and at work and socially. If you go to buy something from the sweet centre you are as likely to be queing with a Polish person as you are someone speaking Punjabi or Urdu.

When I visit my dad back in the northern town I notice something I can't quite put my finger on. Eg I was shopping with my dad, the young woman on the till was wearing hijab and had a beautiful slide pin. I said I thought it was lovely and she smiled and said 'thank you' but there was a moment's hesitation, as if ... well I can't exactly describe it, it was like, 'does not compute', white person complimenting me.

Sorry I'm not explaining it well.

Semitic tribes include Arabs, so the word anti-semitic is far from ideal if you think only about Jews.

Reading this thread reminds me of that book 'Why I'm not longer talking to white people about race'. It's underlining for me the lack of empathy and willingness to distort/ignore the truth to perpetuate prejudice against Muslims. This is what will make the community more isolated and insular, not less.

There are good and bad people in every community; of course, all ideologies should be allowed to be held under scrutiny, but surely it's only fair to do so when it's a debate rather than a one sided affair on talk TV or the house of Lords where lies spurious use of statistics can go unchallenged.

I hear you OP, you are not alone.

My late father, a Holocaust survivor, loved telling this joke: "In a small town in east Europe, shortly before Passover, a murdered child's body was found. The Jews gathered in the synagogue, fearful of a blood libel pogrom, and prayed. SUddenly a member of the congregation burst in, and cried out: Fear not! Praise the Lord! The child was Jewish!"

So what is life like for people that live in Islamic countries? Are they perfectly happy and free to do what they want and men and women and children are treated fairly and being of a different culture/background/social class/ sexualising orientation/religion are all treated well and accepted by the other communities living there?

If so great, if not then how is it any different to what people say about Britain and the British?

I don't like the word Islamophobia as it implies a fear of something. What we are seeing needs to be called out as hate.

But how do you get to know ordinary Muslim women when they keep themselves to themselves, only want to mix with their own community, not allowed to come out for a drink etc?
It all adds to the feeling that they are different which scares people. Add this to the fact that there are some Muslim extremists who seem to hate Britain and want to destroy our culture. Can you really not see why people are wary of Muslims?

In my circle, I don’t hear of specific Islamaphobia. I do hear of genuine concern that the treatment of women in that religion is incompatible with the British way of life. That would include women covering their faces.

I don’t care what religion someone chooses to follow privately but I feel publicly we should all rub along where we choose to live and I don’t always see that happening.

this is the issue.

lots of non Muslim women don’t want to come for a drink either: because they don’t drink. Seriously, the racism on here during tonight/ this morning is staggering

there are no caliphate anywhere in the world.
there hasn't been a caliphate for the last 1200+ years
ignorance around Islam is so prevalent. thanks to tabloid media and them co-opting random islamic terms and using them totally outside of context

Why does someone covering their face upset you so much ?

I think its because if they define it they'll have so much to deal with the police won't cope

why do you assume Muslim women are "not allowed" to come out for a drink?
they choose not to if they are practising Muslims
me or any of the women I know don't need anyone's permission to do anything. we go wherever the fuck we want.