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Prostasia Foundation - Child protection or dismantling Safeguarding?

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JustAnotherWoman Mon 10-Jun-19 13:39:41

Credit to Agilelass for flagging these people in the Dr Em Unicorns thread, I thought they warranted a thread of their own.

prostasia.org

They claim to be concerned about child protection but a look at what they are promoting and saying sounds to me far more like they are trying to dismantle safeguarding measures by saying they don't work.

They have/had a campaign in support of child sex dolls [anger]

Should we be worried about them? Anyone know anything more about the key players?

Barracker Mon 10-Jun-19 14:59:04

Good god.
A 5 minute browse is enough for me.

This is a dodgy org.

Popchyk Mon 10-Jun-19 15:02:14

Not heard of them before but from their front page.

prostasia.org/blog/ageplay-is-for-adults/

Ageplay?

I read a sentence and felt sick.

They're not exactly hiding what they are all about.

RubberTreePlant Mon 10-Jun-19 15:24:56

I wish i hadn't clicked that TBH.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly Mon 10-Jun-19 15:27:02

I opened the link and then closed it again as frankly it looks NSFW

KatvonHostileExtremist Mon 10-Jun-19 15:29:43

I opened it and now I'll dream about it

Arrghhh

Shudder

JustAnotherWoman Mon 10-Jun-19 15:38:46

They are out in plain site on twitter (which I appreciate doesn't mean much) this link should to their exec team which looks legit prostasia.org/our-team/

Their chief exec appears to attend child protection conferences hmm

OvaHere Mon 10-Jun-19 15:45:54

I had a look on twitter

twitter.com/ProstasiaInc

Yeah definitely one to watch.

Ringsender2 Mon 10-Jun-19 15:56:06

It seems like rather a lot of word salad. Obfuscating rather than being clear.

Also, what does "Prostasia" mean anyway? It's one of those corporate, madey-uppey names that is supposed to invoke some kind of positive sentiment about the organisation, isn't it? It just makes me think of prostates. Yuk

Ringsender2 Mon 10-Jun-19 15:59:56

Just looked at their Twitter feed. Double yuk.

OvaHere Mon 10-Jun-19 16:01:14

It just makes me think of prostates. Yuk

Given that many of their tweets are pro sex work and pro MAP this may not be coincidence.

ScrimshawTheSecond Mon 10-Jun-19 16:20:05

To me this looks like a kink/sex workers/internet freedom group, why on earth it's presenting itself as a child protection group is very, very odd. Unless it could potentially have some ulterior motive?

Mixing issues that should not and need not be mixed.

Deliriumoftheendless Mon 10-Jun-19 20:10:20

There’s a tweet on their about kids posting themselves on YouTube doing “ordinary things” that makes me very concerned.

OhHolyJesus Mon 10-Jun-19 20:40:09

What the fuck is this? I spot queer theory and it reminds me of a certain man who campaigned for changes to the law for what is considered porn.

NeurotrashWarrior Mon 10-Jun-19 20:53:26

JFC.

The post about cartoon CSA....

I think there are links to the stuff in Japan here. I believe it was till recently or still is legal to buy anime magazines with CSA in them.

allmywhat Mon 10-Jun-19 20:58:34

I saw their page months ago. James Cantor (Blanchard's colleague who advocates for P in the alphabet soup) linked to it.

It was clearly sinister then, and it is even more so now they have more content. I remember I couldn't decide whether Cantor was naive/groomed by his pedophilic study subjects, or whether things are simpler than that.

The YouTube tweet Lang mentioned is very disturbing.

There's also this article which reveals a bit about their agenda and who their connections are: www.engadget.com/2019/05/31/sex-lies-and-surveillance-fosta-privacy/

Another case where I couldn't decide whether the author of the article, "Violet Blue", is VERY credulous, or somewhat worse..

prostasia.org/newsletter/?email_id=28 has a long list of child porn "edge cases" they want to talk about. Gosh, where have we all seen this tactic of focusing on edge cases to dismantle boundaries before?

That link also has this sentence which is where I fully lost any doubt to give this organisation the benefit of, their child protection figleaf isn't covering a damn thing.

The photos may originally have been meant to sexualize [underage child] (though this is a term we don't really like, because it implies that sexuality begins at 18),
the problem with that sentence is not the implication that underage children can be sexual. It's the fact that the person who wrote it is full on conflating the sexuality of the child/adolescent with the sexuality of a pedophile.

This is a very well-connected pedophile rights organisation, I don't have the tiniest doubt of it. Thankfully they seem to be getting some pushback. prostasia.org/newsletter/?email_id=37

allmywhat Mon 10-Jun-19 21:05:00

Sorry to be confusing - it wasn't Lang who mentioned that Youtube tweet, it was Delirium. Dodgy AF no matter who pointed it out.

failingatlife Mon 10-Jun-19 23:08:27

Very confused that an organisation which is supposed to be about child protection would have articles about age play and 'furry fandom'. Who on earth thought that was appropriate? They seem much more concerned with the rights of fetishists than they do with the protection of children.

FloralBunting Mon 10-Jun-19 23:18:07

The name Prostasia comes from the Greek word for “protection”, signifying that we are a child protection organization. Taking the shape of a torch, the trunk of the tree represents enlightenment and rights. The trunk of rights holds up many branches: child protection (the right to body integrity), sex worker rights, digital rights, due process rights, and so on. The tree itself represents growth—both the natural growth from childhood into adulthood, and the growth in understanding between diverse stakeholders we aim to promote

So, here's a conundrum. Why would a child protection organization need to be connected to sex worker rights and digital rights? Why would anyone put all those things in a basket together?

I mean, the fact that it's the kind of people who see nothing at all amiss in 'fantasy sexual roleplay' where one adult pretends to be a child, and another adult 'pretends' to sexually abuse them shouldn't give anyone pause, should it?

QOFE Mon 10-Jun-19 23:21:51

Oh... I assumed it was a contraction of "prostitute" and "Asia" blush

It's fucking rank though, is what it is. Ugh.

JustAnotherWoman Mon 10-Jun-19 23:36:40

I'm bewildered, the exec director seems to be a professional in the data privacy policy space, why on earth would he publicly associate himself with these aims? It feels like the worlds gone mad

GirlDownUnder Mon 10-Jun-19 23:45:46

So, here's a conundrum. Why would a child protection organization need to be connected to sex worker rights and digital rights? Why would anyone put all those things in a basket together?

^ exactly! And I've read some of their news letter, and aims, and I'm still not sure how conflating positive age play, sex work, child sex dolls, etc. helps protect children.

I mean, the fact that it's the kind of people who see nothing at all amiss in 'fantasy sexual roleplay' where one adult pretends to be a child, and another adult 'pretends' to sexually abuse them shouldn't give anyone pause, should it?

Reading https://prostasia.org/blog/beyond-censorship-the-case-for-a-flexible-standard/ Beyond censorship: the case for a flexible standard - apparently depicting adult actors as children in 'porn' or hand drawn / computer generated child sexual images is fine as 'no real children' were harmed in the making of such images.

I think some of what they say looks ok on the surface, but it still makes me feel hinky.

Their board

GrumpyGran8 Tue 11-Jun-19 03:57:54

depicting adult actors as children in 'porn' or hand drawn / computer generated child sexual images is fine as 'no real children' were harmed in the making of such images
Years ago, I would have agreed with that position - 'where's the harm if it's not a real child, only a blow up doll or a faked image?'
But of course, the harm comes from the desensitisation that prolonged exposure to pornographic fakery produces; it lowers your inhibitions and makes it easier to view children purely as objects.

JustAnotherWoman Tue 11-Jun-19 09:04:53

It's interesting they've been able to register as a non profit in the US, that comes with tax exemptions, I thought the process of checking was thorough, I wonder how often their activities are reviewed

ThePurportedDoctoress Tue 11-Jun-19 09:38:25

Their mission/expertise relates to human rights, publishing and free speech. Why do they call themselves a child protection org? Where's the child protection expertise? The board consists of three people - two lawyers and a fashion designer who has "first hand experience in communities of CSA survivors, sex workers, and kink practitioners".

CharlieParley Tue 11-Jun-19 12:55:15

Children cannot be "sex workers" Any child in prostitution is a victim of child sexual exploitation. That this organisation has "sex work" aka prostitution as a branch on their organisational tree is questionable at best and as pp have pointed out, a dogwhistle of the real advocacy aims of this group.

I cannot recall a single child safeguarding organisation anywhere that also supports prostitution as "sex work" ie gives it's full-blown support to pimps and punters under the guise of supporting prostitutes. Especially because a very large number of prostitutes started out when they were still underage and especially because this involves the exploitation of vulnerable and often already victimised children.

Popchyk Sat 15-Jun-19 16:43:25

They are asking people to donate to them instead of the NSPCC, after the NSPCC canned Bergdorf.

In Jameela Jamil's thread.

twitter.com/ProstasiaInc/status/1137802820894068736

"We are a new child protection organization that is inclusive of LGBTQ people, kinky people, and sex workers, and includes them in leadership. If you're looking to transfer your donation from @NSPCC, consider us instead".

HumberElla Sat 15-Jun-19 17:04:38

I was wondering who funds them. So they’re looking for donations.

How very odd that they go out of their way to define kink as being sought after for leadership roles? Its now become the new ‘we would particularly welcome applicants from (insert protected characteristic) backgrounds’ etc etc.

LumpySpacedPrincess Sat 15-Jun-19 17:11:01

Jeez, was just coming on to start a thread.

I looked at the people who liked their post and this person claims to be their director.

Interesting profile.....

ThePurported Sat 15-Jun-19 17:11:38

I thought they would. Not sure why they think they are a suitable alternative. They're not, not even on paper.

Popchyk Sat 15-Jun-19 17:19:35

Yes, there's a real push for kink to be included under "diversity". And of course paedophilia counts as kink for the perverts. And they're the ones doing the pushing.

They are meeting zero resistance with groups like Stonewall and Pride though. Or the NSPCC. That's the real problem.

I wish some senior people at any of those organisations would get a grip of this. Maybe spend a tenth of the energy that they spend denouncing TERFs in actively challenging the boundary creep of fetishism and paedophilia into the LGBT.

But they won't. They're in too deep.

HumberElla Sat 15-Jun-19 17:21:11

Ok, that’s nice, so you put all your personal sexual preferences right out there on your profile. Very empowering. Good for you.

So tell me again how this information relates to your employment or underpins your role as a director in a child protection org? Also the finger logo, just a little bit confrontational, no?

OrchidInTheSun Sat 15-Jun-19 17:26:03

They are pushing for 'non-offending paedophiles' to be recognised as legitimate sexuality.

https://twitter.com/prostasiainc/status/1138219011332853760?s=21

Jeremy believes that all adult men want to fuck teenagers and there is no problem with that. It's whether and how they act on it that's the problem. Not just if but how they do it. Note the how. Jeremy is a lawyer, he has chosen his words carefully.

They believe that censorship puts children at risk and by condemning paraphilias, we are driving them underground.

Jeremy reminds me of Jane Fae

HumberElla Sat 15-Jun-19 17:26:07

Maybe middle aged women could start putting kink on their cvs. And applying for senior positions as LGBTQK.

Humber loves petting her 40+ furries and her interests also include reading, trying new recipes and dogging. Can I be director now, Pleeeeeeease?!!

LumpySpacedPrincess Sat 15-Jun-19 17:32:07

Mmmm...they are also pro hentai which is over sexualized manga...lovely...just lovely..

LumpySpacedPrincess Sat 15-Jun-19 17:45:36

So this guy writes articles for them

Apparently he was convicted for possessing child porn.

LumpySpacedPrincess Sat 15-Jun-19 17:47:48

medium.com/*@guy*.hamilton.smith

LumpySpacedPrincess Sat 15-Jun-19 17:48:30

hmmm...link doesn't seem to work now...

OrchidInTheSun Sat 15-Jun-19 17:50:38

https://prostasia.org/blog/author/guy-hamilton-smith/

Lumpy

OrchidInTheSun Sat 15-Jun-19 17:55:47

https://eu.cincinnati.com/story/news/local/northern-ky/2014/02/06/man-on-ky-sex-offender-list-appeals-court-decision-so-he-can-practice-law/5245607/

Poor man is a sex addict apparently and has never been able to take the Bar because of this silly mistake he made in his youth

HumberElla Sat 15-Jun-19 18:00:51

So now the MAPs are perfectly comfortable in plain sight it would seem. And clubbing together to form their own child protection organisations.

And why wouldn’t you, in a climate when the leading child protection agency in the country is happy to defend porn being made and published online from their premises. By their staff.

LumpySpacedPrincess Sat 15-Jun-19 19:02:08

These people cannot get into schools, they just can't..

Deliriumoftheendless Sat 15-Jun-19 19:15:39

I’m very flattered to have been confused with Lang Cleg!

OrchidInTheSun Sat 15-Jun-19 19:17:21

Prostasia is in the US.

FaithFrank Sat 15-Jun-19 19:26:25

It is a registered charity in California http://rct.doj.ca.gov/Verification/Web/Details.aspx?result=ca85d74c-9e20-46c6-8ea9-4704d37f22db

HumberElla Sat 15-Jun-19 19:32:05

California. Figures.

BuzzShitbagBobbly Sat 15-Jun-19 22:38:17

In Jameela Jamil's thread. ^ https://twitter.com/ProstasiaInc/status/11378028208940687366

Is she still blowing smoke up everyone's asses?

AgileLass Sat 15-Jun-19 23:39:03

Creepy as fuck and brazen as hell

SquishySquirmy Sat 15-Jun-19 23:51:22

... child protection (the right to body integrity), sex worker rights, digital rights, due process rights, and so on ...

So they define "child protection" as "the right to body integrity"
Which could be twisted to mean the right of children to "consent" (to anything). We rightly do not recognise children as being able to consent to certain things. We know there are those who would like to change this.
So in a couple of leaps, "child protection" can be distorted to mean the exact opposite.
Definitions are so important, aren't they?

ThePurported Sat 15-Jun-19 23:54:34

I'm bewildered, the exec director seems to be a professional in the data privacy policy space, why on earth would he publicly associate himself with these aims

Quite.
I found an interesting article about his employer EFF - the author suggests that it's a corporate front for Silicon Valley. thebaffler.com/salvos/all-effd-up-levine
If that's true, the simple explanation for JM's weird career move is that Prostasia is another front group set up to oppose child protection legislation that threatens Silicon Valley interests, since porn (the legal kind) is the biggest business on the internet. Hence the 'sex work'/kink advocacy angle.

Haworthia Sat 15-Jun-19 23:58:35

I just learned of their existence today and posted about them in the NSPCC thread (especially since they were sniffing around for donations in the wake of the NSPCC not being woke enough).

Sinister. As. Fuck.

Why would a child protection organization need to be connected to sex worker rights and digital rights? Why would anyone put all those things in a basket together?

I came to that conclusion very quickly. How do these things go together? Unless... there’s an ulterior motive.

Julie Bindel tweeted about them today and someone replied with an image of a pie (or PIE). Make of that what you will.

HumberElla Sun 16-Jun-19 00:00:07

So, if you want to look forward to where the next really big money is coming from in porn, it’s legalising and lowering the age of actors. Because currently you can have any extreme sex deemed legal if consenting actors doing it. But age is the barrier they can’t cross.

Slapdasherie Sun 16-Jun-19 00:07:59

Well, it seems obvious that their version of child protection is to “protect” them from pedophobes.

Haworthia Sun 16-Jun-19 00:10:18

The cartoon elephant mascot. “The stigma busting child protection organisation” 🤢

VaggieMight Sun 16-Jun-19 00:15:58

I looked at the Twitter account assuming it must be woke satire. I can't believe what I'm seeing. And the followers. How on earth is this happening. A slice of the PIE indeed. It seems lessons are never learned.

ALittleBitofVitriol Sun 16-Jun-19 00:22:43

SquishySquirmy
Thank you! Yes that line jumped out at me too!
Clearly they are saying that child protection (the thing they apparently do as a charity) = bodily integrity.

That is a frightening sentence to type.

Then linking to all sorts of kinks, bloody hell. They are not even hiding in plain sight, they are telling us clearly who they are...

HouseOfMouse Sun 16-Jun-19 03:08:43

This is taken from their case study on adult age-play: “Very few minors with an interest in kink are comfortable expressing that to parents and teachers, and even friends. .... So, they go online and seek out others. *If you are lucky, your child finds someone like me who gives them educational resources that will help them explore safely on their own until they are old enough to join the community*”.
Grooming, anyone?
A large number of their followers on Twitter self-identify in their profiles as MAP.

2BthatUnnoticed Sun 16-Jun-19 03:26:29

Please read this, especially if your kids are online.

This “child protection” site acknowledges that children (under 18) participate in “furry” sex groups online!! shock

And it’s fine because the “admin” only lets minors “sex play” with other minors (wtf)... albeit could be (someone posing as) a 17 yo and an (actual) 12 yo but hey they are all “exploring their sexuality.”

Holy hell this is disturbing.

2BthatUnnoticed Sun 16-Jun-19 03:29:39

Sorry, here’s the screenshot I was talking about from the “protasia” site, I’m on my phone so can’t copy the link.

Some people angry at NCSPA for alleged “transphobia” are now donating to this “charity” instead.

emerencealwayshopeful Sun 16-Jun-19 05:05:49

I keep thinking I've reached the bottom. And then I read another thread.

And people are donating.

EverardDigby Sun 16-Jun-19 06:38:24

There is research suggesting a link in women between sexual masochism and borderline personality disorder https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27600835/

And of course most people with a diagnosis of BPD have experienced childhood trauma.

So instead of therapy, vulnerable children are instead being encouraged to have online sex. WTAF?

SophoclesTheFox Sun 16-Jun-19 07:38:38

Very troubling.

The obvious link between being “pro sex work” and having some interest in child abuse or “children’s sexuality” (sic) is the prevalence of prostituted women having been abused in childhood. Aren’t they tapping directly into that- more abused children=more adults going into prostitution? Normalise sexual activity with children, and you create your pipeline of adult prostitutes.

Not very subtle, and very, very worrying, as is the “child’s bodily integrity” angle. We’ve seen this before.

Ifonlyus Sun 16-Jun-19 07:51:18

What does MAP stand for?

SophoclesTheFox Sun 16-Jun-19 08:00:04

Minor Attracted Person, ifonly

A paedophile, in other words.

OhHolyJesus Sun 16-Jun-19 08:00:24

*IfOnly
*
Minor Attracted Person = Paedophile

VaggieMight Sun 16-Jun-19 08:01:07

MAP minor attracted person

OhHolyJesus Sun 16-Jun-19 08:01:40

Sorry cross post

Also NOMAP

Is No Offending MAP so a paedophile who doesn't act in their paedophilia but experience it all the same.

Ifonlyus Sun 16-Jun-19 08:04:19

Thanks.

beagadorsrock Sun 16-Jun-19 08:30:13

Has anyone tried reporting this to Twitter's CSE form? After reading that article about Thorn (or skimming through it , as I admit that for a Sunday morning the tech talk is way too complex and boring for me) I do wonder if that's what it is, and why it's separate from normal reporting stuff

BertrandRussell Sun 16-Jun-19 08:37:33

Why aren’t any of the public figures who were taken in by then had their eyes opened by PIE back in the day speaking our now? And oh, I am so sad about Jameela Jamie.....

BertrandRussell Sun 16-Jun-19 08:37:55

*Jamil

ThePurported Sun 16-Jun-19 10:57:17

Jeremy Malcolm posted this on Medium last year just before he announced the new 'child protection organisation'. I'm convinced he's a Silicon Valley shill, there is no way in hell he just had this epiphany after talking to lots of MAPs (like he claims in the crowdfunder announcement) that the only way forward for online child protection is to listen to paedophiles. This is fundamentally about internet businesses fighting legislation that prevents them from hosting 'sex workers'.

"Despite the partisan paralysis of the U.S. Congress on most issues, “think of the children” is always a reliable standby to bring lawmakers together. And so it was that FOSTA, theAllow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act(H.R. 1865) passed the House of Representatives last week. The law would hold Internet platforms criminally liable for the content of their users that promotes or facilitates prostitution, and allow any person injured by a violation to bring a civil lawsuit against such platforms.

FOSTA’s companion Bill in the Senate, SESTA or theStop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act(S. 1693), is expected to come up for a floor vote on March 12, and is drawn a little more narrowly, although we can expect the two bills to converge. So while SESTA is limited to “sex trafficking of children; or sex trafficking by force, threats of force, fraud, or coercion,” and FOSTA makes similar references to “sexual exploitation of children” and “trafficking of children”, its operative provisions cover sex work conducted between consenting adults. This is a morals law, not a child protection law.

Backpage.com was the focus of attention of those who lobbied for the introduction of FOSTA-SESTA (as the companion bills can be called), but other large online platforms such as Tumblr, Twitter, and SnapChat, and smaller ones like Fetlife, are also used by sex workers and also face criminal liability. Many of these sex workers are not trafficked in any meaningful sense, due to the ability of these platforms to flatten out the intermediary layer that a pimp may otherwise occupy. But it’s the value added by the platforms that flattens away that layer — and if they allow sex workers to continue to use their platforms, that could make them liable under FOSTA-SESTA for promoting or facilitating prostitution."

ThePurported Sun 16-Jun-19 10:58:59

Link medium.com/*@jmalcolm*/fosta-sesta-isnt-just-an-attack-on-sex-workers-it-s-also-an-attack-on-free-speech-f764f9c09452

DanaPhoenix Sun 16-Jun-19 11:51:06

Beyond gross. My interpretation of "Protasia" is prostitute /Asia looking at places like Japan (sexualised cartoon and child robot dolls) low ranking in the scheme of child exploitation. The fact that something is low ranking in 2019 makes me want to vomit. Then we need to move on to locations like Thailand, Phillipines. Popular destinations for "sex tourists". These tourists are not visiting to witness women shooting ping pong balls from their vaginas. There have been many instances of pedophiles being caught out visiting these locations. IIrc the guy falsely confessing to Jon Benet Ramsay's murder was a frequent visitor to Thailand. Also (IIRC) an infamous Aussie pedophile ( dolly dunn) was tracked do the Phillipines.

DanaPhoenix Sun 16-Jun-19 11:56:30

Apologies for some of my extremely blunt commentary above. But tbph we are getting well beyond polite euphemism.

OrchidInTheSun Sun 16-Jun-19 12:24:07

I think you're right ThePurported

NeurotrashWarrior Sun 16-Jun-19 13:50:36

I wasn't quite sure where to put this tweet but seems relevant here:

https://twitter.com/logicalmarcus/status/1140172269269991425?s=21

plattercake Sun 16-Jun-19 16:48:56

A million times NO. This is wrong in so many serious ways. Its sick

2BthatUnnoticed Sun 16-Jun-19 16:57:30

It looks like a convicted sex offender is one of their writers.. and that a NSPCC employee is among their followers.

OrchidInTheSun Sun 16-Jun-19 18:12:08

Yes discussed further down in the thread. Guy Hamilton Smith

NeurotrashWarrior Sun 16-Jun-19 18:27:28

Desmond thread; not for the faint hearted.

Convicted paedophile lusts over Desmond (the amazing one) [trigger warning for obvious reasons] http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3613722-Convicted-paedophile-lusts-over-Desmond-the-amazing-one-trigger-warning-for-obvious-reasons

KettlePolly Sun 16-Jun-19 18:36:23

That article on ageplay was nauseating. It's like my old colleague airly going on about his bloody FetLife "munches" - the kink bubble is a lovely place but it's easy to think because you know lots of other people are like you that everyone else finds it completely fine and want to hear about it and hey yeah why SHOULDN'T you talk about it! And ageplay is so inherently dodgy you'd have to be thick to admit you do it.

That charity is at best misguided and at worst opening up a seriously colossal door for those who'd seek to abuse.

Gingerkittykat Sun 16-Jun-19 19:04:29

Please explain a world where kinky, sex and trans-queer have ended up in the same sentence as child protection

A tweet taken from Katie Hopkins linked from their Twitter, probably the only thing the woman has said I have agreed with.

The one thing I saw on their site I agreed with is not criminalising young people who send sexting images of themselves, not the right way to deal with this issue.

youkiddingme Sun 16-Jun-19 19:30:54

reading the comments on your twitter post 2BthatUnnoticed led me to this. What the hell is this?

www.ipce.info/

Ipce is a forum for people who are engaged in scholarly discussion about the understanding and emancipation of mutual relationships between children or adolescents and adults.

nevernotstruggling Sun 16-Jun-19 19:37:39

Why would you need to describe a cp .org as sex positive that's v fuct up. No one describes the nspcc as sex negative??? Wtaf???

nevernotstruggling Sun 16-Jun-19 19:44:19

Jameela drank the cool aid a long time ago I ditched her on sm

BertrandRussell Sun 16-Jun-19 21:47:40

Yes- she was grovellingly apologetic and deleted a tweet about women having surgery in the pursuit of beauty after being educated that it was transphobic.

2BthatUnnoticed Mon 17-Jun-19 00:09:43

Oh it wasn’t my own Twitter post, I should have clarified, I just saw it.

IPCE = PIE 2. That’s my conclusion. I wonder if any journalist is brave enough to take it on?

youkiddingme Mon 17-Jun-19 14:55:20

Sorry that was my post that was badly worded 2Bthatunnoticed - I meant the twitter post you shared above.

2BthatUnnoticed Tue 18-Jun-19 00:15:14

All good smile

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving Sat 22-Jun-19 20:07:13

Aaaaand now they're trying to blackmail Sarah Phillimore to stop digging into their organisation.

twitter.com/SVPhillimore/status/1142017609124208640

Spero Sat 22-Jun-19 21:02:01

They are an appalling bunch. The mask slipped pretty quickly. They insinuated themselves into a discussion I was having on Twitter about the NSPCC and invited people to switch their direct debits to them.

I had never heard of them before but after some conversation I wasn't very reassured. Another Twitter user posted a mugshot of one of their members which showed he has been arrested in 2012 for sexual contact with a child under 13.

A number of us asked the main Prostasia account what on earth was going on; we were all blocked.

Shortly after that I received an email, which I posed in full on Twitter as I saw it as a genuine attempt to blackmail me and the only way to deal with this is publicise it.

The Sunday Mirror are hopefully running a piece on the NSPCC tonight/tomorrow and I briefly ran the Prostasia stuff past the reporter who contacted me - he sounded interested and I hope will get back to me.

Again, another issue that needs a LOT more publicity.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo Sat 22-Jun-19 21:30:11

Why is this group allowed on twitter?

Spero Sat 22-Jun-19 21:34:14

Just found another email from Jeremy!
twitter.com/SVPhillimore/status/1142529475059572736

Its very revealing. Read the bit about 'human rights of all'.

ByGrabtharsHammarWhatASaving Sat 22-Jun-19 22:15:57

The words "child", "sex", and "positive" need to never appear in the same sentence, ever. FUCK. OFF.

Barracker Sat 22-Jun-19 23:58:29

Pro
Stasia: means 'resurrection' in Greek.

Name may literally mean they are pro resurrecting something.

An organisation that was sleeping?
A movement that was alive, then killed off, that they want to resurrect?

Is this PIE resurrected and rebranded?

Ineedacupofteadesperately Sun 23-Jun-19 10:28:30

Bloody hell "conducting child sexual abuse prevention in a way that is sex positive"

News flash for Jeremy: virtually all the parents in the country are against "conducting child sexual abuse prevention in a way that is sex positive". We see you.

Also, doesn't know what doxxing is.

2BthatUnnoticed Wed 03-Jul-19 13:30:15

“Consensual kink and child protection??” This is so creepy. This site is about adults and their so-called “sexual rights.”

2BthatUnnoticed Wed 03-Jul-19 13:33:33

They want to protect children “from sexual harm.” Not from sex or kink... that might impinge on adults’ sexual freedoms, no? confused

FormerMediocreMale Sat 20-Jul-19 23:30:21

This really is a resurrection of PIE - not good.

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