Prostasia Foundation - Child protection or dismantling Safeguarding?

[JustAnotherWoman]

Credit to Agilelass for flagging these people in the Dr Em Unicorns thread, I thought they warranted a thread of their own.

prostasia.org

They claim to be concerned about child protection but a look at what they are promoting and saying sounds to me far more like they are trying to dismantle safeguarding measures by saying they don't work.

They have/had a campaign in support of child sex dolls [anger]

Should we be worried about them? Anyone know anything more about the key players?

Good thread to keep bumping, though, to be fair, some very useful info on it about a shady organization that wants to sanitize child abuse.

@FloralBunting

Good thread to keep bumping, though, to be fair, some very useful info on it about a shady organization that wants to sanitize child abuse.

It's certainly helpful for people to be aware of this.

I do not feel that men are sending us their best people.

Joriss I agree. It had dropped off my radar but I heard vague stuff about it a few weeks back. I assume they've been emboldened by all the 'get used to looking at dicks, kids' messaging.

current thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4303105-Sex-offenders-free-to-abuse-children-after-changing-ID

Safeguarding is not complicated at all, the only people who wish to make it seem so are those who have very questionable motives and an insidious agenda.

@FloralBunting

Not really sure what the point is, tbh. Creating accounts for the sole purpose of having them blink out of existence seems like an odd hobby. Still, I can't talk, I used to do very complicated counted cross stitch and never finish a project.

I suspect the point is to get enough posts deleted that the thread gets deleted and the useful info here about Prostasia disappears

@Spero

They are an appalling bunch. The mask slipped pretty quickly. They insinuated themselves into a discussion I was having on Twitter about the NSPCC and invited people to switch their direct debits to them.

I had never heard of them before but after some conversation I wasn't very reassured. Another Twitter user posted a mugshot of one of their members which showed he has been arrested in 2012 for sexual contact with a child under 13.

A number of us asked the main Prostasia account what on earth was going on; we were all blocked.

Shortly after that I received an email, which I posed in full on Twitter as I saw it as a genuine attempt to blackmail me and the only way to deal with this is publicise it.

The Sunday Mirror are hopefully running a piece on the NSPCC tonight/tomorrow and I briefly ran the Prostasia stuff past the reporter who contacted me - he sounded interested and I hope will get back to me.

Again, another issue that needs a LOT more publicity.

Its good to keep this publicised, especially on a parenting website.

suspect the point is to get enough posts deleted that the thread gets deleted and the useful info here about Prostasia disappears

Yep. Suspect he'll be back in a minute. Once he's had time to set up a new account.

There seems to be a big clean up of their search results at the moment and this thread inconveniently appears in first page

Has anyone with better IT skills than me taken a copy of this thread?

Yes, there's likely a clean up attempt. So, important to sidestep the odd derail and keep the thread on topic, I think. Now, The Prostasia Foundation seems keen to sanitise and rehabilitate the idea that children can consent to sex, if I recall aright. It seems to be quite the feature of recent campaigning among progressives.

@Barracker

Pro Stasia: means 'resurrection' in Greek.

Name may literally mean they are pro resurrecting something.

An organisation that was sleeping?
A movement that was alive, then killed off, that they want to resurrect?

Is this PIE resurrected and rebranded?

BBC How did the pro-paedophile group PIE exist openly for 10 years? By Tom de Castella & Tom Heyden 2014

(extract)
"The Paedophile Information Exchange was affiliated to the National Council for Civil Liberties - now Liberty - in the late 1970s and early 1980s. But how did pro-paedophile campaigners operate so openly?

A gay rights conference backs a motion in favour of paedophilia. The story is written up by a national newspaper as "Child-lovers win fight for role in Gay Lib".

It sounds like a nightmarish plotline from dystopian fiction. But this happened in the UK. The conference took place in Sheffield and the newspaper was the Guardian. The year was 1975.

It's part of the story of how paedophiles tried to go mainstream in the 1970s. The group behind the attempt - the Paedophile Information Exchange - is back in the news because of a series of stories run by the Daily Mail about Labour deputy leader Harriet Harman.

The Daily Mail has revisited the story of PIE to ask how much Harman and her husband the MP Jack Dromey knew about the group during their time working at the National Council for Civil Liberties, now Liberty, in the late 1970s. PIE was affiliated to the NCCL from the late 1970s to early 1980s.

Many of the revelations are not in fact new. The story's return to the front pages demonstrates the shock people feel about how a group with "paedophile" in its name could operate so openly for so long.

PIE was formed in 1974. It campaigned for "children's sexuality". It wanted the government to axe or lower the age of consent. It offered support to adults "in legal difficulties concerning sexual acts with consenting 'under age' partners". The real aim was to normalise sex with children.

Journalist Christian Wolmar remembers their tactics. "They didn't emphasise that this was 50-year-old men wanting to have sex with five-year-olds. They presented it as the sexual liberation of children, that children should have the right to sex," he says." (continues)

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26352378

"They didn't emphasise that this was 50-year-old men wanting to have sex with five-year-olds. They presented it as the sexual liberation of children, that children should have the right to sex," he says."

Hugely important tactic to be aware of, this. Seems to be increasingly popular to be suggesting that it is good for children to be exposed to all sorts. You'll notice they like to mock concern for children and proper safeguarding too.

Seems to be increasingly popular to be suggesting that it is good for children to be exposed to all sorts. You'll notice they like to mock concern for children and proper safeguarding too.

There's a common theme here. All these movements use the same rulebook.

Some people have incredibly strange, sad little hobbies, repeatedly being banned and then setting up new accounts to access this forum must rank quite highly on that scale.

relevant thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4215949-ILGA-Feminist-Declaration-Stonewall-Lowering-the-age-of-consent-to-10

Thanks for bumping this thread. It is important that people are aware of what Prostasia stands for.