Prostasia Foundation - Child protection or dismantling Safeguarding?

[JustAnotherWoman]

Credit to Agilelass for flagging these people in the Dr Em Unicorns thread, I thought they warranted a thread of their own.

prostasia.org

They claim to be concerned about child protection but a look at what they are promoting and saying sounds to me far more like they are trying to dismantle safeguarding measures by saying they don't work.

They have/had a campaign in support of child sex dolls [anger]

Should we be worried about them? Anyone know anything more about the key players?

This organisation has been discussed before on MN. Definitely disturbing.

@GuessWhoIsAgain

XD maybe you guys should call Interpol to help you with that one. It looks like it's gaining international proportions there. But Okay, for more fun that can be for me to see you guys getting paranoid about my trolling. I think it's interesting to make a few things clear here. Even if it's just for the record. After all, obviously, you won't read anything. But anyway 1) I don't act or speak here on behalf of anyone other than myself. 2) I support prostasia, and as far as I know, they have never supported any kind of REAL sexual contact between children and anyone. All that is said there are VIRTUAL options for pedophiles and other NoMAPS, which does have a huge potential to prevent real abuses. 3) I'm just a lolicon and not a pedophile.

Anyway, go ahead, you can delete this message now ;*

@MNHQ please let the quoted post stand, it helps show the tactics used by those who would like to undermine child safeguarding

"PIE was formed in 1974. It campaigned for "children's sexuality". It wanted the government to axe or lower the age of consent. It offered support to adults "in legal difficulties concerning sexual acts with consenting 'under age' partners". The real aim was to normalise sex with children".

And the founder members turn up on the BBC regular as clockwork during Pride month, in their rainbow garb, being interviewed and fawned over.

@MNHQ please let the quoted post stand, it helps show the tactics used by those who would like to undermine child safeguarding

This ^^

It is important part of Child Protection/Safeguarding that parents, carers and responsible adults are aware of such tactics.

Please leave it to stand.

What was that Andrea Dworkin statement about being taught to fetishise your oppression?

Once a society allows the fetishisation of child-like adults, how does it prevent the tumble down the slippery slope to the fetishisation of children?

www.prostasia.info/

This is an interesting site - I don't enough about its creator to verify its useful though.

@Popchyk

Not heard of them before but from their front page.

prostasia.org/blog/ageplay-is-for-adults/

Ageplay?

I read a sentence and felt sick.

They're not exactly hiding what they are all about.

Lisa Muggeridge, 'Social work training: Ever present risk of predatory behaviour'

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FLd0kp_5do

Do watch this, all adults have responsibility to Safeguard children and this is very clearly expressed vital information.

Had a quick squiz.

' Just like other sexual practices, ***regardless of how ready a minor may feel, it is wrong for an adult to ageplay with them. I’m not just being a big meanie by saying this; I care about the potential harm that can come to minors in a world they aren’t ready for. But I admit, I’m just as concerned about my community. It only takes one accusation of some sort of sexual impropriety with a minor for an entire convention, event, or organization to get shut down.'

The ** are mine.

Lisa Muggeridge is great. And she really knows her stuff when it comes to child protection.

They don't seem to like Michael Salter, but are too cowardly to @ him.

twitter.com/prostasiainc/status/1408170683994042371?s=21

Michael has been speaking up on CSA dangers for many years.

Their likes and RTs are very telling.

Oh lol a 2019 thread has been bumped thus bringing it back to attention!

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!

Well the site is still up and still awful so a second round of looking at and commenting seems in order I reckon.

'MAP Support Club is a peer support chat for minor attracted people age 13 & up, and is a safe space to have peer support in times of trouble. '

Putting 13yo in a room with a bunch of paedophiles. And encouraging them to talk about sex with children.

Well that seems sensible.

NOTE the pic on the map chat page is a WOMAN being comforted because yes women are equally likely to want to fuck kids...

I do think that in the situation where someone is attracted to children and is disgusted by it/ would never act then individual counseling is a plan.

However they are highly unlikely to be the ones involved in this sort of endeavour.

Additionally. Acting on any attraction where there is no consent is assault/ rape. So... Don't rape anyone which is something most people manage all the time.

Additionally plenty of CSA perpetrators are opportunistic rather than that is their sole sexual attraction.

I find it interesting that the LGBT, K etc are not condemning this increasing pushing of social barriers against linking children into it. I just don't get that.

LGB esp the G fought really hard to put paid to the idea that there was any association with CSA.

'MAP Support Club is a peer support chat for minor attracted people age 13 & up, and is a safe space to have peer support in times of trouble. '

'People' aged 13-18 years old are children.

From Stop It Now! website:

"UK law – sexual offences relating to the internet
"Sexual communication with a child
Section 15a of the Sexual Offences Act (2003) makes it illegal for an adult to intentionally communicate with a child under 16 for a sexual purpose. This offence is sometimes referred to as ‘online grooming’. The offence is still committed whether or not the child communicates with the adult.

If the adult doesn’t reasonably believe the person is 16 or over (for example the person states they are under 16) then this is a criminal offence.

If someone you are communicating with online states that they are under 16, you are committing an offence, even if you do not believe they really are under 16."
www.stopitnow.org.uk/concerned-about-your-own-thoughts-or-behaviour/concerned-about-use-of-the-internet/get-the-facts/uk-law-internet-sexual-offences/

I'm just a lolicon and not a pedophile.

Your hard drive needs searching.

I'm just a lolicon and not a pedophile

Well you would say that, wouldn't you.

All evidence to the contrary imo.

I'm just a lolicon and not a pedophile.

Lolicon
noun

"The sexual attraction to young girls."

"An individual fixated on young, generally prepubescent, girls."

"Erotic or suggestive art depicting prepubescent females."

"Lolicon, also romanised as lolikon or rorikon, is a Japanese portmanteau of the phrase "Lolita complex". In Japan, the term describes an attraction to underage girls or an individual with such an attraction. It is also commonly used when referring to lolicon manga or lolicon anime, a genre of manga and anime wherein childlike female characters are often depicted in an "erotic-cute" manner, in an art style reminiscent of the shōjo manga style. Outside Japan, "lolicon" is in less common usage and usually refers to the genre. The phrase is a reference to Vladimir Nabokov's book Lolita, in which a middle-aged man becomes sexually obsessed with a twelve-year-old girl. It was first used in Japan in the 1970s and quickly became used to describe erotic dojinshi portrayals of young girls. Laws have been enacted in various countries, including in Japan, which regulate explicit content featuring children or childlike characters. Parent and citizens groups in Japan have organized to work toward stronger controls and stricter laws governing lolicon manga and other similar media."^

Etymology: Lolita + complex; ending in con rather than com due to the phonology of Japanese.

www.definitions.net/definition/LOLICON

Very interesting R0wantrees, can always rely on you to provide the goods!

As I said of our visitor despite the denials all evidence points to the contrary.

Just noting that this thread has been archived on archive.li
(seven separate pages).

'It’s a common preconception that people who are into sexual kinks and fetishes are damaged in some way, or that this is a result of some childhood trauma.'

No shit, Sherlock.

I have read a couple and skimmed a few more of the many ageplay short stories that can be found on the internet. Not for the weak of stomach. They seem usually to have a male "father" figure and a female "child" figure. The infantilisation of women in them is so disturbing. Everything about them has become childlike and helpless, wholly dependent on the father-figure... except when it comes to sex using their "kitty" and "cummies". The "girls" even have to ask permission to "cum". Utterly disgusting.

Oh that's odd re lolicon.

I have seen loads of times when people have argued till their blue in the face that 'lolita' fashions etc and so on have NOTHING to do with the book.

Uh-huh sure.

And this lolicon definition confirms it.

FYI 'lolicon' man...

LOLITA IS CHILD IN A BOOK WHO IS GROOMED AND RAPED BY A PAEDOPHILE.

it's a very famous book. Often comes up top in best novel ever lists in papers etc.

You've not heard of it?

The book is written from the perspective of the paedophile. It exposes his thinking. It is subtle. It is grotesque.

The fact the name lolita has been in common use for sexually precocious / tempting girl is... Appalling.

So there you go. HTH!

Article in today's Observer by Beatrix Campbell

‘Our silence permits perpetrators to continue’: one woman’s fight to expose a father’s abuse'
(extract)
"At 81, after years of suffering, Clare Devlin has joined the campaign to stop sex crime against children by revealing her own ordeal at the hands of her celebrated judge parent

Clare Devlin’s first memory of being sadistically and sexually snared by her father was when she was seven. But she knows that wasn’t the first time it had happened. She remembers a feeling of dread of something already known, a “recognition of feelings of fear and anger and grief”. The abuse continued throughout her childhood and adolescence until she finally found a way to stop the man who was the most powerful person in her universe.

Her father, Patrick Devlin, was one of the most celebrated judges in the country. Now Clare is 81 years old and, with her family’s support, she is going public about his behaviour, lending herself to the international movement to stop child sexual abuse. As well as telling her story to the Observer, she has also made a submission to the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, which finishes taking evidence in October." (continues)

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/jul/25/our-silence-permits-perpetrators-to-continue-one-womans-fight-to-expose-a-fathers-abuse

By the way προϲταϲία is a real Greek word that from the 3rd c. BCE at any rate does have the meaning 'stewardship. supervision, custody'. It is used, for example, to denote what a wetnurse does for the babies she suckles. I think these pervs would just love that image.

I do loathe the word Lolicon. I hate to see this vile, meretricious reduction of a literary classic, in which the horrific effects of pedophilia were explored before anyone knew they were a Thing. Humbert Humbert even suffers from childhood trauma—not abuse, but the tragic cutting short of his "first love" as a child for a girl of his own age, a loss that subsequently shapes him into a monstrously selfish predator. Nabokov's genius extends to seeing that HH would treat Lolita's wholly natural sexual explorations with boys her own age as if they were on a par with his own use of her, and shows him finally becoming aware of his own monstrousness—that he has broken, not Lolita's heart, but her life—even while we continue to doubt that he really understands what he has done. And of course he is the narrator, not Lolita, and he would have got away with it had he not killed Clare Quilty, another monster.