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Prostasia Foundation - Child protection or dismantling Safeguarding?

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JustAnotherWoman · 10/06/2019 13:39

Credit to Agilelass for flagging these people in the Dr Em Unicorns thread, I thought they warranted a thread of their own.

prostasia.org

They claim to be concerned about child protection but a look at what they are promoting and saying sounds to me far more like they are trying to dismantle safeguarding measures by saying they don't work.

They have/had a campaign in support of child sex dolls [anger]

Should we be worried about them? Anyone know anything more about the key players?

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dyslek · 25/07/2021 19:57

I know its a rainy Sunday, but, trolling in support of a pro pedo group?

I think you need to reassess your life?

RedDogsBeg · 25/07/2021 20:00

lets talk about this!

No, I won't converse with a paedophile.

Deliriumoftheendless · 25/07/2021 20:00

I suppose on the bright side, getting off on trying to annoy MNers means they’re not tossing off over kids.

Deliriumoftheendless · 25/07/2021 20:01

Although who knows what other tabs are open.

RedDogsBeg · 25/07/2021 20:01

Every cloud Delirium, every cloud.

HebeMumsnet · 25/07/2021 20:10

Thanks for the reports, everyone. We're seeing this delightful troll off as quickly as we can. We want to keep the thread up as it feels like an important discussion so we appreciate you reporting so we can zap all the unsavoury stuff as soon as possible.

Strength and honour.

RedDogsBeg · 25/07/2021 20:12

Cheers Hebe, may the force be with you!

NiceGerbil · 25/07/2021 20:19

Thanks Hebe!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/07/2021 20:33

Thank you for posting the Bea Campbell article R0wantrees. That's a terrible story from Claire Devlin.
One thing struck me - how her volunteering in a women's shelter and support from a rape crisis centre alongside her journey through the 2nd wave of feminism enabled her to speak out:
Feminism began describing what child sexual abuse consists of

I wonder whether young women of today would feel they have this type of liberating support from other women?

NiceGerbil · 25/07/2021 20:49

So where we're at

This org has charitable status in the USA.

This thread is from 2 years ago. The org it was about still has a website with all sorts of shit on it. So any attention they've received has not made them review their content and make it less blatently obvious.

Jorriss · 25/07/2021 20:50

Hebe ♥️

hoodathunkit · 25/07/2021 20:58

They don't seem to like Michael Salter, but are too cowardly to @ him.

twitter.com/prostasiainc/status/1408170683994042371?s=21

Michael has been speaking up on CSA dangers for many years.

Their likes and RTs are very telling.

I have many concerns about Michael Salter, namely;

his involvement as a prominent supporter of conspiracy theories about "satanic ritual abuse", his central involvement with the notoriously abusive organisation the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation (ISSTD) and some other things.

So I clicked on the link in your post and discovered the following retweet;

Prostasia Foundation
@ProstasiaInc
·
24 Jun

Michael Salter, consultant to 🇦🇺 and 🇨🇦 child safety groups
@eSafetyOffice
and
@CdnChildProtect
, comes under fire for bolstering fabricated Satanic sex abuse claims: “the worst catastrophe to befall the mental health field since the lobotomy era.”

I have very serious concerns about the Prostasia Foundation and have shared them here previously.

However when it comes to Michael Slater (and Beatrix Campbell) the promotion of SRA conspiracy theories and the associated devastation of innocent families, related atrocities (e.g. the prolonged torture and mysterious death of Carol Felstead by ISSTD associated therapists and the murder of Jude Mirra) make it impossible for me to view them as anyone interested in the protection or safeguarding of children and / or vulnerable adults.

Links, in case readers are interested;

re the murder of Jude Mirra
www.rawstory.com/2016/02/activist-blames-quack-satanic-abuse-psychology-after-paranoid-mom-murders-her-autistic-son/

Re the abuses and mysterious death of Carol Felstead
www.justiceforcarol.com
www.theguardian.com/society/2011/dec/11/carole-myers-satanic-child-abuse

May I enquire as to your opinion of Salter and Campbell's promotion of the SRA conspiracy theories that help to fuel the Qanon and Pizzagate related conspiracy theories?

Are you a "true believer" yourself? Do you not find such activities to be contradictory to and conflictual with child protection and safeguarding?

NiceGerbil · 25/07/2021 21:01

The way PIE got themselves into the 70s gay rights movement was about positioning themselves as a similarly oppressed demonised and misunderstood.

At the time plenty of lefty people involved and pushing for gay rights were caught up in the righteous fight and... Overlooked/ didn't think too hard etc. I know Harman gets a lot of stick over this but I for one don't buy that she was all in favour of child sexual abuse.

This is all sounding familiar isn't it.

There have been flags raised for ages about all sorts of things. I mean too many to mention. And the people supporting it and saying any ??? is based in homophobia and other types of bigotry are not all evil. They're caught up in their role as defender of minorities.

It's an interesting thing to see but fucking dangerous and it's gone way further v than PIE managed.

Bosky · 25/07/2021 21:06

Anyone else find it spine-chilling to see a troll with a username ending in "Baloo" defending Prostasia?

David Challenor
transcrimeuk.com/2018/08/22/david-challenor/

Crossdresser with Baby Fetish Imprisons, Rapes, Sexually Tortures Girl | Women Are Human
www.womenarehuman.com/crossdresser-with-baby-fetish-rapes-sexually-tortures-girl-david-challenor/

The power and influence of the new priest caste
grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/the-power-and-influence-of-the-new

Would he have access to the internet in prison? Or is this just a fan??

Jorriss · 25/07/2021 21:13

Yes I noticed that Bosky.

hoodathunkit · 25/07/2021 21:13

Apologies for the derail, and I am as concerned about the Prostasia Foundation as others here, but the claim that Michael Salter is a hero of child protection and safeguarding cannot go unchallenged

Readers might be interested to know that the controversial academic and promoter of conspiracy theories relating to "satanic ritual abuse” (SRA), Professor Michael Slater of ITSSD notoriety presented various conspiracy themed presenters and modules at an SRA promoting conspirathon in London UK on 5th March 2020

details as follows:

A Day With Professor Michael Salter

5 March 2020 | 10:00 AM – 5:00 PM
Centre for Child Mental Health

We are excited to announce our 2020 Regional Conference in London, UK! Join ISSTD for this one-day conference featuring presentations by Michael Salter, PhD, along with Margot Sunderland, Adah Sachs, Kathryn Livingston, Mark Linington, Sue Richardson, Valerie Sinason, and Nancy Borrett!

:30am-10:00am Registration Open
9:45am-10:00am Introductions and Welcome – Dr Margot Sunderland and Dr Adah Sachs
10:00am-11:15am Organized Child Sexual Abuse: The Contemporary Picture
11:15am-11:45pm Coffee Break
11:45pm-12:45pm Child Sexual Abuse Material: Production, Distribution and Consumption
12:45pm-1:45pm Lunch (Provided)
1:45pm-3:00pm Ritual Abuse, Prolonged Incest and the Intergenerational Transmission of Sexual Violence
3:00pm-3:30pm Coffee Break
3:30pm-4:30pm Small Discussion Groups
4:30pm-5:00pm Final Plenary

Meet our Speakers!

Dr Michael Salter is a Scientia Fellow and Associate Professor of Criminology at the University of New South Wales. His research is focused on child abuse and gendered violence, including primary prevention, complex trauma and technologically-facilitated abuse. He is the author of two books, Organised Sexual Abuse (Routledge, 2013) and Crime, Justice and Social Media (Routledge, 2017), and a range of papers on child abuse and gendered violence. A/Prof Salter sits on the Board of Directors of the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation, who awarded him the 2018 Morton Prince Award for Scientific Achievement. He is an Associate Editor of the journal Child Abuse Review and expert advisor to the Canadian Centre for Child Protection.

Joining Michael Salter will be:

Dr Margot Sunderland, Director of the Centre for Child Mental Health
Dr Adah Sachs, ISSTD, writer and attachment based consultant psychotherapist
Kathryn Livingston BEM, Trainer and Voluntary Co-ordinator First Person Plural
Mark Linington, Clinical Director, Clinic for Dissociative Studies
Dr Elly Hanson, psychologist researcher, clinical advisor to CEOP
Sue Richardson, attachment-based psychotherapist and a founder member of ESTD-UK
Valerie Sinason, ISSTD, consultant psychotherapist, Founder and Patron, Clinic for Dissociative Studies
Nancy Borrett, Consultant Psychotherapist, Clinic for Dissociative Studies

Preliminary Program

9:30am-10:00am Registration Open
9:45am-10:00am Introductions and Welcome – Dr Margot Sunderland and Dr Adah Sachs
10:00am-11:15am Organized Child Sexual Abuse: The Contemporary Picture
11:15am-11:45pm Coffee Break
11:45pm-12:45pm Child Sexual Abuse Material: Production, Distribution and Consumption
12:45pm-1:45pm Lunch (Provided)
1:45pm-3:00pm Ritual Abuse, Prolonged Incest and the Intergenerational Transmission of Sexual Violence
3:00pm-3:30pm Coffee Break
3:30pm-4:30pm Small Discussion Groups
4:30pm-5:00pm Final Plenary

Session 1

Presentation Title: Organized Child Sexual Abuse: The Contemporary Picture
Chair: Kathryn Livingston

Presenter: Michael Salter
Discussant: Mark Linington
Summary: This session will discuss the current state of knowledge about organised forms of child sexual abuse. After a brief history of debates over organised abuse, the session will examine the most common scenarios of organised abuse, and the increasing role of technology in child sexual exploitation. Drawing on extensive interviews with survivors and professionals, as well as public policy analysis, the session will identify current obstacles to the prevention and detection of organised abuse and the wellbeing and safety of survivors, and lay out a program of policy reform and advocacy.

Session 2

Presentation Title: Child Sexual Abuse Material: Production, Distribution and Consumption
Chair: Elly Hanson
Presenter: Michael Salter
Summary: This session will focus on the current epidemic of online child sexual abuse material and its implications for organised abuse victims and survivors. The session will present research findings based on image analysis of historical and contemporary CSAM, ‘dark web’ offender discourse and surveys of adult CSAM survivors. The complex role of governments, police, non-government organisations and technology companies in the response to CSAM will be outlined, with a focus on the need for significant legal and industry reform. The implications of CSAM for the treatment of survivors will be emphasised.

Session 3

Presentation Title: Ritual Abuse, Prolonged Incest and the Intergenerational Transmission of Sexual Violence
Chair: Valerie Sinason
Presenter: Michael Salter
Discussant: Sue Richardson
Summary: This session will present a theoretical model to understand the intergenerational transmission of sexual violence within families. While intergenerational trauma is now the subject of an expanding evidence base, the normalisation of sexual violence within family networks has been largely overlooked. This session draws together evidence of parental involvement in CSAM and sexual exploitation, the persistence of familial sexual abuse into adulthood, and the role of ritual in familial cultures of abuse, and suggests that object relations theory can assist us in understanding the reproduction of sexual violence in families over generations.

Session 4

Presentation Title: Small Discussion Groups & Final Plenary
Presenters: Michael Salter, Mark Linington, Sue Richardson, Adah Sachs, Valerie Sinason, and Nancy Borrett
Summary: Small discussion groups will be convened by Mark Linington, Sue Richardson, Adah Sachs, Valerie Sinason and Nancy Borrett, followed by final comments and questions for Michael Salter and other discussants.

Conference Venue

The Centre for Child Mental Health

Brittania Row, Islington, London N1

source:

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20191231105230/www.isst-d.org/training-and-conferences/upcoming-conferences/london-regional-conference/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20191231105230/www.isst-d.org/training-and-conferences/upcoming-conferences/london-regional-conference/

Readers familiar with SRA related conspiracy theories and the infiltration of SRA promoting quacks into mental health services will recognise some of the most notorious and deluded quacks attending this event, including Elly Hanson aka Elly Farmer one of Carl Beech's therapists.

R0wantrees · 25/07/2021 21:23

@HebeMumsnet

Thanks for the reports, everyone. We're seeing this delightful troll off as quickly as we can. We want to keep the thread up as it feels like an important discussion so we appreciate you reporting so we can zap all the unsavoury stuff as soon as possible.

Strength and honour.

Many thanks Hebe Wine

Child Protection is, as you say, an important discussion.

hoodathunkit · 25/07/2021 21:33

Yes, thank you Hebe

Your work is much appreciated

also thank you Aparallaxia for your thoughtful and informative post, this is a really interesting and important thread for many reasons

Bosky · 25/07/2021 21:38

Thanks Hoodathunkit - this stuff never goes away, just bubbles away, festering under the surface.

ScreamingMeMe · 30/08/2021 18:25

By Anna Slatz for 4W

4w.pub/prostasia-normalize-pedophilia/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

ScreamingMeMe · 30/08/2021 22:14

[quote ScreamingMeMe]By Anna Slatz for 4W

4w.pub/prostasia-normalize-pedophilia/amp/?__twitter_impression=true[/quote]
Most recently, writer Noah Berlatsky was taken in as a director at Prostasia. Berlatsky previously came under fire for writing an article published in New Republic under the title “Child Sex Worker’s Biggest Threat: The Police” in which he lamented the treatment of “children engaged in survival sex” by police officers. While fighting corruption within the justice system is certainly a valid issue, at no point did Berlatsky note the obvious fact that children cannot consent to sexual activity of any kind, instead spending his article suggesting that children forced into prostitution were willing participants in an oppressed, but legitimate, trade.

In 2017, Berlatsky tweeted “pedophiles are essentially a stigmatized group.”

Noah has a trans child, and some interesting ideas on autonomy for young people:

www.patreon.com/posts/49110194

archive.vn/ERt8y

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