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Prostasia Foundation - Child protection or dismantling Safeguarding?

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JustAnotherWoman · 10/06/2019 13:39

Credit to Agilelass for flagging these people in the Dr Em Unicorns thread, I thought they warranted a thread of their own.

prostasia.org

They claim to be concerned about child protection but a look at what they are promoting and saying sounds to me far more like they are trying to dismantle safeguarding measures by saying they don't work.

They have/had a campaign in support of child sex dolls [anger]

Should we be worried about them? Anyone know anything more about the key players?

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HumberElla · 16/06/2019 00:00

So, if you want to look forward to where the next really big money is coming from in porn, it’s legalising and lowering the age of actors. Because currently you can have any extreme sex deemed legal if consenting actors doing it. But age is the barrier they can’t cross.

Slapdasherie · 16/06/2019 00:07

Well, it seems obvious that their version of child protection is to “protect” them from pedophobes.

Haworthia · 16/06/2019 00:10

The cartoon elephant mascot. “The stigma busting child protection organisation” 🤢

VaggieMight · 16/06/2019 00:15

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ALittleBitofVitriol · 16/06/2019 00:22

SquishySquirmy
Thank you! Yes that line jumped out at me too!
Clearly they are saying that child protection (the thing they apparently do as a charity) = bodily integrity.

That is a frightening sentence to type.

Then linking to all sorts of kinks, bloody hell. They are not even hiding in plain sight, they are telling us clearly who they are...

HouseOfMouse · 16/06/2019 03:08

This is taken from their case study on adult age-play: “Very few minors with an interest in kink are comfortable expressing that to parents and teachers, and even friends. .... So, they go online and seek out others. If you are lucky, your child finds someone like me who gives them educational resources that will help them explore safely on their own until they are old enough to join the community”.

Grooming, anyone?
A large number of their followers on Twitter self-identify in their profiles as MAP.

2BthatUnnoticed · 16/06/2019 03:26

Please read this, especially if your kids are online.

This “child protection” site acknowledges that children (under 18) participate in “furry” sex groups online!! Shock

And it’s fine because the “admin” only lets minors “sex play” with other minors (wtf)... albeit could be (someone posing as) a 17 yo and an (actual) 12 yo but hey they are all “exploring their sexuality.”

Holy hell this is disturbing.

2BthatUnnoticed · 16/06/2019 03:29

Sorry, here’s the screenshot I was talking about from the “protasia” site, I’m on my phone so can’t copy the link.

Some people angry at NCSPA for alleged “transphobia” are now donating to this “charity” instead.

Prostasia Foundation - Child protection or dismantling Safeguarding?
emerencealwayshopeful · 16/06/2019 05:05

I keep thinking I've reached the bottom. And then I read another thread.

And people are donating.

EverardDigby · 16/06/2019 06:38

There is research suggesting a link in women between sexual masochism and borderline personality disorder www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27600835/

And of course most people with a diagnosis of BPD have experienced childhood trauma.

So instead of therapy, vulnerable children are instead being encouraged to have online sex. WTAF?

SophoclesTheFox · 16/06/2019 07:38

Very troubling.

The obvious link between being “pro sex work” and having some interest in child abuse or “children’s sexuality” (sic) is the prevalence of prostituted women having been abused in childhood. Aren’t they tapping directly into that- more abused children=more adults going into prostitution? Normalise sexual activity with children, and you create your pipeline of adult prostitutes.

Not very subtle, and very, very worrying, as is the “child’s bodily integrity” angle. We’ve seen this before.

Ifonlyus · 16/06/2019 07:51

What does MAP stand for?

SophoclesTheFox · 16/06/2019 08:00

Minor Attracted Person, ifonly

A paedophile, in other words.

OhHolyJesus · 16/06/2019 08:00

*IfOnly
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Minor Attracted Person = Paedophile

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OhHolyJesus · 16/06/2019 08:01

Sorry cross post

Also NOMAP

Is No Offending MAP so a paedophile who doesn't act in their paedophilia but experience it all the same.

Ifonlyus · 16/06/2019 08:04

Thanks.

beagadorsrock · 16/06/2019 08:30

Has anyone tried reporting this to Twitter's CSE form? After reading that article about Thorn (or skimming through it , as I admit that for a Sunday morning the tech talk is way too complex and boring for me) I do wonder if that's what it is, and why it's separate from normal reporting stuff

BertrandRussell · 16/06/2019 08:37

Why aren’t any of the public figures who were taken in by then had their eyes opened by PIE back in the day speaking our now? And oh, I am so sad about Jameela Jamie.....

BertrandRussell · 16/06/2019 08:37

*Jamil

ThePurported · 16/06/2019 10:57

Jeremy Malcolm posted this on Medium last year just before he announced the new 'child protection organisation'. I'm convinced he's a Silicon Valley shill, there is no way in hell he just had this epiphany after talking to lots of MAPs (like he claims in the crowdfunder announcement) that the only way forward for online child protection is to listen to paedophiles. This is fundamentally about internet businesses fighting legislation that prevents them from hosting 'sex workers'.

"Despite the partisan paralysis of the U.S. Congress on most issues, “think of the children” is always a reliable standby to bring lawmakers together. And so it was that FOSTA, theAllow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act(H.R. 1865) passed the House of Representatives last week. The law would hold Internet platforms criminally liable for the content of their users that promotes or facilitates prostitution, and allow any person injured by a violation to bring a civil lawsuit against such platforms.

FOSTA’s companion Bill in the Senate, SESTA or theStop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act(S. 1693), is expected to come up for a floor vote on March 12, and is drawn a little more narrowly, although we can expect the two bills to converge. So while SESTA is limited to “sex trafficking of children; or sex trafficking by force, threats of force, fraud, or coercion,” and FOSTA makes similar references to “sexual exploitation of children” and “trafficking of children”, its operative provisions cover sex work conducted between consenting adults. This is a morals law, not a child protection law.

Backpage.com was the focus of attention of those who lobbied for the introduction of FOSTA-SESTA (as the companion bills can be called), but other large online platforms such as Tumblr, Twitter, and SnapChat, and smaller ones like Fetlife, are also used by sex workers and also face criminal liability. Many of these sex workers are not trafficked in any meaningful sense, due to the ability of these platforms to flatten out the intermediary layer that a pimp may otherwise occupy. But it’s the value added by the platforms that flattens away that layer — and if they allow sex workers to continue to use their platforms, that could make them liable under FOSTA-SESTA for promoting or facilitating prostitution."

DanaPhoenix · 16/06/2019 11:51

Beyond gross. My interpretation of "Protasia" is prostitute /Asia looking at places like Japan (sexualised cartoon and child robot dolls) low ranking in the scheme of child exploitation. The fact that something is low ranking in 2019 makes me want to vomit. Then we need to move on to locations like Thailand, Phillipines. Popular destinations for "sex tourists". These tourists are not visiting to witness women shooting ping pong balls from their vaginas. There have been many instances of pedophiles being caught out visiting these locations. IIrc the guy falsely confessing to Jon Benet Ramsay's murder was a frequent visitor to Thailand. Also (IIRC) an infamous Aussie pedophile ( dolly dunn) was tracked do the Phillipines.

DanaPhoenix · 16/06/2019 11:56

Apologies for some of my extremely blunt commentary above. But tbph we are getting well beyond polite euphemism.

OrchidInTheSun · 16/06/2019 12:24

I think you're right ThePurported

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